On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 15:55, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]>wrote:
> Hi, > > I like the concept too. It should be fast to implement and shows users what > they can achieve with the wiki. > > Question: is it run for all users the first time they connect to the wiki? > In the mockups I've put a Help link next to the Annotations (another place could be near the Profile). - We could activate it from there (suggesting solutions depending on the context + a global help area). This approach is much general (in edit mode it would suggest a simplified version of syntax help, etc) but much harder to implement. or - We could run it at first use (having a "Show welcome help" check in the profile where we remember the preference) Thanks, Caty > > Guillaume > > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 10:23, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hi Caty and all, > > > > > > On May 27, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > As part of "The first 5 minutes experience with XWiki" project I want > > to > > > > propose a layered help/introduction wizard: > > > > > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWiki5MinutesProposal1 > > > > > > It's very nice. The only question I'm asking myself is whether this is > > > solving a real problem or not. > > > > > > We haven't done any user survey or usability lab test so I'm not sure > we > > > know what the real problems are when someone starts using XWiki. > > > > > > What we could imagine though is a 3 step process: > > > 1) we do what we think will improve the getting started experience > (what > > > you've started) with our own knowledge > > > 2) and then we do usability tests based on our improved solution > > > 3) we refactor to meet the discoveries done in step 2 > > > > > > Side note: I remember reading good advice in "Don't make me think" > about > > > usability tests. > > > > > > WDYT? Is that the approach we'd like to take? It seems a sensible one > to > > me > > > since I'm not sure it would bring much to do usability tests with the > > > current XE since we know some of its shortcomings already so better fix > > > those before that test. > > > > > > Second remark; your proposal is not touching at any of the existing > > things > > > (which btw makes it all the more easy to implement which is nice :)). > I'm > > > just wondering whether we shouldn't also improve underlying stuff. For > > > example the welcome message doesn't seem very good to me. Another idea > is > > to > > > make it more clear to users that the home page is a dashboard that they > > can > > > edit as a personal dashboard for example. A third idea is to have a > help > > > system in place. Maybe those are things you're planning to tackle just > > > after? > > > > > > > > Hi Vincent, > > > > First of all "XWiki in 5 minutes" is a very broad subject: you can think > of > > lots of things when you say the name. > > We have a specification page at > > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/XWiki5minutesExperienceMostCommonActionsAndIssues > > where we suppose to list shortcomings we already know about. Would be > very > > nice to add more ideas on that list. > > > > Among the listed issues there was the need to understand how things work > > and > > what features you have at your disposal. This proposal is about that > need, > > having a layered help wizard system that can guide the user in his first > > minutes. Is not the whole solution, but is a part of it. > > > > Regarding usability tests: in a distributed - open source community is > kind > > of hard to do usability tests because you're suppose to be in the room > with > > the person and observe his interactions with the product. The alternative > > we > > have is to receive mostly written feedback or surveys: about the > > experience, > > about the problems. I agree we can improve in this area and again I'm > > asking > > people to respond to the mail thread > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/vcx45otjgjpaca6a > > > > Thanks, > > Caty > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > Thanks > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
