On Oct 28, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Ludovic Dubost wrote:
> 2011/10/28 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
>
>> Hi Marius,
>>
>> On Oct 26, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
>>
>>> Hi devs,
>>>
>>> We need to decide on a technical name for the "Application Within
>>> Minutes", i.e. the name of the platform module and the name of the
>>> space that will hold the Application Within Minutes pages. For now I
>>> committed my code in xwiki-platform-applicationWithinMinutes and I
>>> used the "ApplicationWithinMinutes" space name but this is not
>>> consistent with the way we named modules and spaces so far. Do you
>>> have any suggestions?
>>>
>>> We could use simply xwiki-platform-application, but it collides with
>>> xwiki-platform-application-manager, and I don't think it's a good idea
>>> to merge them. Is application manager still used? Is it going to be
>>> replaced by the extension manager?
>>
>> AFAIK the Application Manager was about defining an XClass for grouping
>> pages together and forming an application (with a version, description,
>> etc).
>>
>> The Extension Manager is independent of this, it's just about
>> installing/upgrading/removing extensions. An application is just one type of
>> extension.
>>
>> So Application Manager is still a valid notion and we need it. I can think
>> of several use cases:
>> - Ability to list all applications in the wiki
>> - Ability to tell a user that the page he's editing is part of an
>> application and ensure that he really wants to modify the application (which
>> may require some merging later on if he upgrades the application)
>> - Ability to remove an application
>> - Ability to list applications in the Application Panel we discussed a
>> while ago (we talked about mapping an Application to a space but in practice
>> it doesn't have to be limited to that)
>> - Ability to export an application from the wiki as an extension and
>> publish it directly on extensions.xwiki.org. I envision a page listing all
>> applications with an export button next to them.
>>
>> AppWithinMinute would need to use the Application Manager IMO so that it
>> puts all pages it creates under an Application descriptor.
>>
>> So yes while AppWithinMinutes and Application Manager could be grouped
>> together there's no reason not to keep them separate I think.
>>
>> So ….. here are some ideas:
>>
>> * xwiki-platform-application/ --> "Application" space, i.e. what defines an
>> application (this is the current Application Manager)
>>
>> Then we have several possibilities for "AppWithinMinutes":
>>
>> A) xwiki-platform-appwizard/ or xwiki-platform-application-wizard/-->
>> "Application Wizard" or Application space
>> B) xwiki-platform-appwithinminutes/ or
>> xwiki-platform-application-within-minutes/--> "Application Within Minutes"
>> or Application space
>> C) xwiki-platform-appcreator/ or xwiki-platform-application-creator/ -->
>> "Application Creator" or Application space
>> D) xwiki-platform- appgenerator/ or xwiki-platform-application-generator
>> --> "Application Generator" or Application space
>> E) xwiki-platform-appfoundy/ or xwiki-platform-application-foundry -->
>> "Application Foundry" or Application space
>>
>
> I don't have a strong opinion on the technical name of the component module.
> However the name of the space used is more than technical. It is the
> branding of the application so it's a very important choice that we make
> here.
>
> AppWithinMinutes is an important application for XWiki Enterprise as it is
> the feature that will show all users that XWiki's flexibility is something
> that is also for them and that actually brings great benefits without being
> too complex for non tech users. We should make sure we can communicate well
> around this feature.
>
> There are no proposals that are not mentioning the notion of "Application".
> I agree with that as we want to push the idea of Application here more than
> just pure form data.
>
> Now there is no proposal that says "App" and not "Application". I think
> "App" is more fun. It's clearly identified in people's mind. And it's
> shorter which makes the name less cumbersome.
>
> Now if we go this way we mostly have to discuss the suffix. In the
> "classical names", you've proposed Wizard, Generator, Foundry. You could
> have added "Builder".
>
> Now all these names are a bit overused. True they are clear, but they don't
> have a lot of originality. They also don't convey the fact that the building
> of the app is "fast".
I think they all convey this idea of "fast". You use a Wizard because it's fast
and everyone knows it. Same for Builder and Generator. Foundry doesn't convey
that, true.
> That's where "AppWithinMinutes" is better. It's more original, it conveys
> the fast aspect in it's name.
I agree it's more original.
> We could also use the "Wiki" aspect of our way of building app:
> "WikiAppBuilder" or "WikiAppGenerator" or "WikiAppCreator".
For me there's a problem with these 2 ideas ("originality" and "wiki"): this is
not our current practice for existing names.
In no other module/component/space names/anywhere we use this notion of
"originality" nor "wiki" (that would be really overkill since we're a wiki…:)).
So next time someone proposes "PowerfulWikiScheduler" instead of "Scheduler" I
don't see any reason we shouldn't accept it.
Does it also mean we need to rename existing applications/spaces so that they
are more "original"?
> I believe it's very important that our App tool is different than anybody
> else's App tool. So I'm:
>
> +1 for AppWithinMinutes
>
> I could be
>
> +0.5 for WikiAppBuilder or WikiAppCreator
>
> I'm -1 for the others which have no originality. I'm -2 for "Application",
> I'm -2 for "Generator" or "Wizard" (we don't generate an app, we create or
> build it).
Why do you include "wizard" here: it doesn't contain either "create" or "build"
in the name and in this regards is similar to "AppWithinMinutes" which doesn't
have any of these words either?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_(software)
"A software wizard or setup assistant is a user interface type that presents a
user with a sequence of dialog boxes that lead the user through a series of
well-defined steps."
"Many web applications, for instance online booking sites, make use of the
wizard paradigm to complete lengthy interactive processes, sometimes becoming
similar to automated online assistants. Oracle Designer also uses wizards
extensively."
BTW this wikipedia page is also mentioning the word "Assistant". Thus
"ApplicationAssistant" is an option too.
>> BTW we should probably move to using spaces in Space names when they are
>> compound names (for example: "Annotation Code" rather than "AnnotationCode")
>> since they are human-readable names and not ids.
>>
>> I'm not sure about that. The use of space makes very ugly urls. If we were
> to change our current policy toward space naming (which is one work or
> closer to camel case), we probably should go the way of the CMSes which is
> app-within-minutes
I think URLs (which are technical names) and Space names (which are
human-readable names) don't have to be the same (same as Page Title vs Page
Names).
I'm currently against app-within-minutes as a human-readable space name (this
would mean "annotation-code", etc). For me this is a technical name (especially
starting with a lowercase letter).
I'd like to know what others think. If most people think that
"AppWithinMinutes" or "App Within Minutes" is fine then I won't oppose it.
Thanks
-Vincent
> Ludovic
>
>
>> My preference goes to A) (the xwiki-platform-appwizard/ short form and
>> "Application Wizard" space name) since I think "Wizard" is the most well
>> known terminology for what "AppWithinMinutes" is.
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
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