> > Now all these names are a bit overused. True they are clear, but they
> don't
> > have a lot of originality. They also don't convey the fact that the
> building
> > of the app is "fast".
>
> It's not as strong I believe
> I think they all convey this idea of "fast". You use a Wizard because it's
> fast and everyone knows it. Same for Builder and Generator. Foundry doesn't
> convey that, true.
>
>
I think you use Wizard because it guides you to do something you cannot do.
It's not the same as fast. A wizard can actually be very long, even though
indeed in most of the cases it is better.
> > That's where "AppWithinMinutes" is better. It's more original, it conveys
> > the fast aspect in it's name.
>
> I agree it's more original.
>
> > We could also use the "Wiki" aspect of our way of building app:
> > "WikiAppBuilder" or "WikiAppGenerator" or "WikiAppCreator".
>
> For me there's a problem with these 2 ideas ("originality" and "wiki"):
> this is not our current practice for existing names.
>
> In no other module/component/space names/anywhere we use this notion of
> "originality" nor "wiki" (that would be really overkill since we're a
> wiki…:)). So next time someone proposes "PowerfulWikiScheduler" instead of
> "Scheduler" I don't see any reason we shouldn't accept it.
>
>
I don't think it's the same. AppWithinMinutes does not describe a
characteristic of the tool (like powerful for the wiki scheduler) but more
what you can do with the tool (build an app in a few minutes). It's not that
different with the Scheduler which allows you to Schedule jobs.
Suppose your scheduler has something REALLY different, yes then indeed it
would be interesting to put that in the name. Let's say "Script Scheduler"
because it schedules Scripts instead of Jobs.
> Does it also mean we need to rename existing applications/spaces so that
> they are more "original"?
>
>
Anyway, I think here it's important to be original because it's our
differentiator. We want to give this a bigger push than other features of
XWiki.
> > I believe it's very important that our App tool is different than anybody
> > else's App tool. So I'm:
> >
> > +1 for AppWithinMinutes
> >
> > I could be
> >
> > +0.5 for WikiAppBuilder or WikiAppCreator
> >
> > I'm -1 for the others which have no originality. I'm -2 for
> "Application",
> > I'm -2 for "Generator" or "Wizard" (we don't generate an app, we create
> or
> > build it).
>
> Why do you include "wizard" here: it doesn't contain either "create" or
> "build" in the name and in this regards is similar to "AppWithinMinutes"
> which doesn't have any of these words either?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_(software)
>
> "A software wizard or setup assistant is a user interface type that
> presents a user with a sequence of dialog boxes that lead the user through a
> series of well-defined steps."
> "Many web applications, for instance online booking sites, make use of the
> wizard paradigm to complete lengthy interactive processes, sometimes
> becoming similar to automated online assistants. Oracle Designer also uses
> wizards extensively."
>
> BTW this wikipedia page is also mentioning the word "Assistant". Thus
> "ApplicationAssistant" is an option too.
>
For me it's much weaker than Builder and Creator which has this creation
process which is nice to have. But Wizard is also acceptable, although I
think everybody uses it for anything. As I said before it's conveys more the
fact that you are helped than the fact that you can do things fast. I also
feel it's a little negative. "Wizards" are for "people that cannot do it
themselves". Now we could go for "AppsForDummies".
>
> >> BTW we should probably move to using spaces in Space names when they are
> >> compound names (for example: "Annotation Code" rather than
> "AnnotationCode")
> >> since they are human-readable names and not ids.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure about that. The use of space makes very ugly urls. If we
> were
> > to change our current policy toward space naming (which is one work or
> > closer to camel case), we probably should go the way of the CMSes which
> is
> > app-within-minutes
>
> I think URLs (which are technical names) and Space names (which are
> human-readable names) don't have to be the same (same as Page Title vs Page
> Names).
>
> I don't agree here. We have this issue when the title is changed. If they
are completely different it can create confusion (when people actually read
the URL, but unfortunately it happens). Now you live with it when you don't
want to change the URL for linking reasons (although it would be good to
have automatic redirects on page renaming which could allow more of that),
it's also ok when the URL name is in english and the page name in french,
but it's another story to consciously make them unrelated. Here if we have
the URL saying AppWizard and the title being "App Within Minutes" it will
really be weird.
> I'm currently against app-within-minutes as a human-readable space name
> (this would mean "annotation-code", etc). For me this is a technical name
> (especially starting with a lowercase letter).
>
> I don't like it either but I'm mentionning it because it's the CMS
pseudo-standard. It's not consistent with our standard. But I don't like the
spaces because of the effect on URLs
> I'd like to know what others think. If most people think that
> "AppWithinMinutes" or "App Within Minutes" is fine then I won't oppose it.
>
>
I'd also like to know what other think, especially native english speakers.
Does "AppWithinMinutes" convey something positive to you ? Is it meaningfull
? Or do you find it confusing and AppBuilder/Creator/Wizard would be better
?
Ludovic
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> > Ludovic
> >
> >
> >> My preference goes to A) (the xwiki-platform-appwizard/ short form and
> >> "Application Wizard" space name) since I think "Wizard" is the most
> well
> >> known terminology for what "AppWithinMinutes" is.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> -Vincent
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