On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:34, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]>wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Vincent, > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi devs, > >>>>> > >>>>> Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see > >>>>> > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application > ) > >>>>> I'd like to push for using it in our XEM distribution. > >>>>> > >>>>> However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist: > >>>>> 1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each > >>>>> workspace being a wiki) > >>>>> 2) Using XE as a wiki farm > >>>>> > >>>>> I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and > this > >>>>> vote is about keeping the XEM packaging/branding but repurposing so > that > >>>>> XEM implements use case 1). Use case 2) exists but it's less > frequent and > >>>>> for more technically advanced users. > >>>>> > >>>>> So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on): > >>>>> > >>>>> A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces > module(s). > >>>>> XEM home page becomes the workspaces app home page. We update > >>>>> manager.xwiki.org to align it with the fact that it now boasts the > >>>>> workspaces features. > >>>>> B) On > http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualizationwe keep > documenting how to transform XE into a wiki farm > >>>>> > >>>> C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains the > >>>>> current pages located in XEM (home page + the other pages). We could > call > >>>>> it xwiki-platform-multiwiki > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> The pages that are strictly related to XEM can be found at > >>>> > https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-manager/tree/master/xwiki-manager-ui/src/main/resources > >>>> > >>>> There, you have: > >>>> * Main.WebHome -> main wiki home with a couple of words about XEM and > a > >>>> listing of current wikis > >>> > >>> AFAIR there was "dashboard" on the home page: wikis you view, wikis > you own, wikis you administrate, recent wikis. > >> > >> The page itself just include widgets which are in wiki manager. > >> > >>> > >>>> * XemManager.Install -> Install page for a wiki template. This page is > >>>> supposed to have automatically the latest XE xar attached to it. This > was > >>>> working when it was part of the XEM product, but if we plan to put it > into > >>>> platform, we need to let the admin upload the XE xar (or any other > xar that > >>>> (s)he wishes to use for the template), just like we did for > workspaces. > >>>> * Panels.QuickLinks -> Override of the standard quick links panel that > >>>> contains an extra link to the wiki manager if the current user is an > admin > >>>> * XemResources.* -> Translations page with 7 keys strictly related to > the > >>>> XemManager.Install page > >>>> * Xapp.XWikiApplicationXem -> Application descriptor for the > application > >>>> manager. AFAIK, it's just a way to automatically register the above > >>>> translations. > >>>> > >>>> Now, knowing the above, does it make sense to name a platform package > that > >>>> is supposed to contain the above pages "xwiki-platform-multiwiki" ? If > >>>> someone installs this package, they will not actually get multiwiki > >>>> capabilities, they will just get a new homepage. > >>>> > >>>> I think that the xwiki-platform-wiki-manager module (application) > offers > >>>> everything needed for the 2) wiki farm use case and that, from the > >>>> platform's point of view (and maybe the user's as well), the proposed > extra > >>>> xwiki-platform-multiwiki would bring no value. The only valuable item > is > >>>> (maybe) the homepage, but I propose we drop all of the above and let > users > >>>> use the wiki manager application. > >>> > >>> Good points, I agree. Makes a lot of sense. > >>> > >>> I'd then propose to include the XEM dashboard as the WebHome of > WikiManager > >> > >> I don't like it very much, WikiManager home page is an admin page to > >> manipulate wikis, this kind of dashboard would be useless for them > >> IMO. > > > > So you think we should just remove the dashboard? > > > > Or would you be ok to have the dashboard page in the wikimanager app but > not on the home page? > > This could be a WikiManager.Dashboard page provided to anyone that > would want to include it somewhere like in the main wiki home page. > The best would probably be to rewrite the widgets to be supported by > the new dashboard system but it's really not a priority. +1 for this, and maybe for a few release, we could have a link to it on the new Main.WebHome for those who could be surprised by the change. WDYT ? > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > >>> Thanks > >>> -Vincent > >>> > >>>> I`m +1 for everything else. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Eduard > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> D) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will > use the > >>>>> Extension Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption > >>>>> E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will > use the > >>>>> Extension Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption. At > this point > >>>>> we'll decide if we want to drop the XEM distribution or keep both > ways of > >>>>> installing it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Here'd my +1 > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks > >>>>> -Vincent > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Denis Gervalle SOFTEC sa - CEO eGuilde sarl - CTO _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
