On Nov 21, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Vincent,
> 
> if I may, this looks like a common fallacy: developers wanting to build
> tools for developers. Of course building a "XWiki for Software Development"
> flavor will sound sexy to you, since you're a developer yourself as well as
> a XWiki committer. You would be your own target audience. In other words,
> you want to build something for yourself.

I think that not being a developer you completely miss the point :)

> However, please note that the market for such tools is already very, very
> crowded.

Market? Who's talking about marketing/research studies, etc here? :)

> There's Trac / Bloodhound, there's the whole Atlassian suite,
> there is what Github is building as well as countless other solutions.
> 
> One of XWiki's great strengths and differentiators is in its ability to let
> people manage structured and unstructured content easily. I think we should
> keep focusing our work on this instead of trying to enter a crowded space
> with little perceivable benefits

Who's "we"?

> . In your mind, is this the very best thing
> we could possibly work on in order to ensure XWiki's long-term success and
> sustainability?

Definitely.

Thanks
-Vincent

> My 2 cents,
> 
> Guillaume
> 
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Nov 21, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Jeremie BOUSQUET <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Vincent,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2012/11/18 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
>>> 
>>>> Hi devs,
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> *** Latest emails (taken from mailman or other mailing list software,
>>>> possibly by subscribing the project to a mailing list so that it gets
>> the
>>>> emails)
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> ** A forum application, for example the Mail Archive Application done by
>>>> Jeremie which would need to be improved to add ability to post from it
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Couldn't / shouldn't it be the same thing ?
>>> I know the Mail Archive App is not finished at all, but one feature is
>>> possibility to generate code to include in pages in order to display
>>> filtered lists of emails or topics loaded by the app (filtering by
>>> mailing-list, with ordering, max nb, etc…).
>> 
>> Yes, it's the same thing I agree.
>> 
>>> If I may add some comment, it's a very nice idea. To me the biggest trap
>> is
>>> integration with external sources. If it's not easily pluggable /
>>> configurable and choice is too restricted, it will attract only a little
>>> subset of developers. In my office for example, I would use it if I could
>>> link to Rhodecode or Mercurial (instead of github) and Redmine (instead
>> of
>>> jira).
>> 
>> Yep, we would need contributions for other issue trackers but once we
>> start having something it may attract devs to develop other integrations.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent

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