Hi Vincent, On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Nov 21, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi Vincent, > > > > if I may, this looks like a common fallacy: developers wanting to build > > tools for developers. Of course building a "XWiki for Software > Development" > > flavor will sound sexy to you, since you're a developer yourself as well > as > > a XWiki committer. You would be your own target audience. In other words, > > you want to build something for yourself. > > I think that not being a developer you completely miss the point :) > Of course. > However, please note that the market for such tools is already very, very > > crowded. > > Market? Who's talking about marketing/research studies, etc here? :) > As a developer, you're (presumably) writing software for an audience, with the hope that members of this audience ("users") will some day use it. I used the word "market" in that sense. > > There's Trac / Bloodhound, there's the whole Atlassian suite, > > there is what Github is building as well as countless other solutions. > > > > One of XWiki's great strengths and differentiators is in its ability to > let > > people manage structured and unstructured content easily. I think we > should > > keep focusing our work on this instead of trying to enter a crowded space > > with little perceivable benefits > > Who's "we"? > Members of the XWiki.org community. Guillaume > . In your mind, is this the very best thing > > we could possibly work on in order to ensure XWiki's long-term success > and > > sustainability? > > Definitely. > Not "one of the best things", "the very best thing". There is nothing else that could possibly be appealing to a wider audience and would thus guarantee the long-term sustainability of XWiki software? Guillaume Thanks > -Vincent > > > My 2 cents, > > > > Guillaume > > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> > >> On Nov 21, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Jeremie BOUSQUET < > [email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Vincent, > >>> > >>> > >>> 2012/11/18 Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > >>> > >>>> Hi devs, > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> *** Latest emails (taken from mailman or other mailing list software, > >>>> possibly by subscribing the project to a mailing list so that it gets > >> the > >>>> emails) > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> ** A forum application, for example the Mail Archive Application done > by > >>>> Jeremie which would need to be improved to add ability to post from it > >>>> > >>> > >>> Couldn't / shouldn't it be the same thing ? > >>> I know the Mail Archive App is not finished at all, but one feature is > >>> possibility to generate code to include in pages in order to display > >>> filtered lists of emails or topics loaded by the app (filtering by > >>> mailing-list, with ordering, max nb, etc…). > >> > >> Yes, it's the same thing I agree. > >> > >>> If I may add some comment, it's a very nice idea. To me the biggest > trap > >> is > >>> integration with external sources. If it's not easily pluggable / > >>> configurable and choice is too restricted, it will attract only a > little > >>> subset of developers. In my office for example, I would use it if I > could > >>> link to Rhodecode or Mercurial (instead of github) and Redmine (instead > >> of > >>> jira). > >> > >> Yep, we would need contributions for other issue trackers but once we > >> start having something it may attract devs to develop other > integrations. > >> > >> Thanks > >> -Vincent > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
