You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks, LM 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]> > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Indeed, the proposal A was based on > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead > > of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu . > > > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. > > > > Let me recap: > > > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". > > > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu > > > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu > > > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. > > > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. > > > > I like both B and E. > > I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis > are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the > main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I > understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where > to put this menu. > > What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. > Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that > menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. > > I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of > the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). > Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. > > -Fabio > > > > > > -- > > > > About E: > > Some issues IMHO: > > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and > > when you are in the subwiki. > > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users > and > > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it > be > > confusing? > > > > Thanks, > > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau > > > > > > > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> > > > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > You forgot one proposal which I like: > >> > > >> > == Proposal D == > >> > > >> > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) > >> > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki > >> > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating > >> > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other > wikis > >> > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over > the > >> > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first > >> entry > >> > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with > >> "Wiki > >> > Index" for example. > >> > > >> > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the > logo as > >> > a way to navigate to the home of wiki. > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > -Vincent > >> > > >> > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < > >> > [email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > Hi developers. > >> > > > >> > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate > >> Workspace > >> > in > >> > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > >> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when > >> > Workspaces > >> > > activated". > >> > > > >> > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which > was > >> > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I > >> have > >> > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > >> > > > >> > > == Proposal A == > >> > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > >> > > Logged as admin: > >> > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > >> > > Not logged as admin: > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png > >> > > > >> > > You can get it from this commit: > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138 > >> > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > >> > >> In your screenshot is: > >> * Home > >> ** Administer Main Wiki > >> ** Wiki Directory > >> > >> What it was proposed: > >> * Home > >> ** Administration > >> ** Wikis Index > >> ** .... > >> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > >> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > >> > >> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: > >> - "Administration" > >> or > >> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" > >> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. > >> > >> > >> > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the > current > >> > menus: > >> > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we > are > >> in > >> > a > >> > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? > >> > > >> > >> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both > >> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). > >> > >> > >> > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the > current > >> > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and > >> > several > >> > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in > the > >> > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between > >> "main" > >> > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the > >> > users > >> > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the > >> menu > >> > > "System" or "XWiki". > >> > > >> > >> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu > displays > >> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with > the > >> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > >> > >> > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a > >> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more > >> > content. > >> > > It does not look good. > >> > > >> > >> In the proposal there is > >> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > >> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could > also > >> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" > (especially > >> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in > the > >> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a > >> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. > >> > >> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, > we > >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). > >> > >> > >> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" > twice: > >> > once > >> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > >> > > - The left menu has too many items. > >> > > >> > >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki > >> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > >> in > >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) > >> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > >> > >> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of > content' > >> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > == Proposal B == > >> > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, > so we > >> > > started to iterate until having this proposal: > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal > >> > > B). > >> > > > >> > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left > >> side, > >> > we > >> > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually > >> > achieve > >> > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" > or > >> > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just > >> > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a > >> > "System" > >> > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we > put > >> it > >> > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less > >> confusing. > >> > > >> > >> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization > >> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. > >> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". > The > >> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your > location in > >> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related > actions. > >> > >> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize > >> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their > >> own. > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > == Proposal C == > >> > > We had also this idea: > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC) > >> > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main > Wiki" > >> > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > >> > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. > >> > > >> > >> Crowded and serves as a double function. > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > --- > >> > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I > >> do? > >> > Do > >> > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, > because he > >> > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be > >> > changed > >> > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > >> > > > >> > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > >> > > > >> > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > >> > > Current implementation: > >> > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > >> > > Mockup with the new skin: > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png > >> > > > >> > > B - "XWiki" right menu: > >> > > > >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png > >> > > > >> > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > >> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > >> > > > >> > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, > >> > regarding > >> > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must > have > >> a > >> > > consensus for the RC1! > >> > > > >> > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > >> > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > >> > > -1 for proposal C. > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > >> > >> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) > >> * Home > >> ** Administration > >> ** --- > >> ** Wikis Index/Directory > >> ** Documents Index > >> > >> (Home/mainwiki) > >> * Home > >> ** Watch Home > >> ** Administer Home > >> ** --- > >> ** Wikis Index > >> ** Documents Index > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Caty > >> > >> > >> > > Louis-Marie > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > devs mailing list > >> > > [email protected] > >> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > devs mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> devs mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
