2013/9/19 Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > > On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:21 AM, "Guillaume \"Louis-Marie\" Delhumeau" < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > +1, I like this idea. > > > > Anyone else? > > The only downside is that it's not very logical with the rest of the menus > which use the format: "<prefix>:<name>". > For example: "Space: <spacename>" or "Page: <pagename>". >
It is already the case when you are in the main wiki and you have subwikis (in my current proposal). > > If we were to remove "Space:" and "Page:" prefixes then I'd be +1. Right > now I'm more +0. > > Thanks > -Vincent > > > 2013/9/18 Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> > > > >> Looking at the screenshots, I was wondering if we shouldn't use the same > >> "HOME" label for the single wiki case, since the wiki name has no real > >> meaning, and it could became the home of a workspace environment, or of > a > >> multiwiki farm. This would make it more consistent over time, than > having > >> the "Wiki: xwiki" changing to "HOME" when a subwiki is created. I am > only > >> talking about the menu label here, not the content. > >> > >> WDYT ? > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: > >>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> LM > >>> > >>> > >>> 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]> > >>> > >>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> Indeed, the proposal A was based on > >>>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead > >>>>> of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > . > >>>>> > >>>>> Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. > >>>>> > >>>>> Let me recap: > >>>>> > >>>>> - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". > >>>>> > >>>>> - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu > >>>>> > >>>>> - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu > >>>>> > >>>>> - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. > >>>>> > >>>>> - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> I like both B and E. > >>>> > >>>> I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis > >>>> are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the > >>>> main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I > >>>> understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where > >>>> to put this menu. > >>>> > >>>> What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. > >>>> Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that > >>>> menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. > >>>> > >>>> I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of > >>>> the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). > >>>> Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. > >>>> > >>>> -Fabio > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> > >>>>> About E: > >>>>> Some issues IMHO: > >>>>> - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki > >> and > >>>>> when you are in the subwiki. > >>>>> - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the > >> users > >>>> and > >>>>> the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't > >> it > >>>> be > >>>>> confusing? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected] > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> You forgot one proposal which I like: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> == Proposal D == > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) > >>>>>>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current > >> wiki > >>>>>>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow > >>> navigating > >>>>>>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other > >>>> wikis > >>>>>>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover > >> over > >>>> the > >>>>>>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with > >> first > >>>>>> entry > >>>>>>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry > >> with > >>>>>> "Wiki > >>>>>>> Index" for example. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the > >>>> logo as > >>>>>>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>> -Vincent > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < > >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi developers. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate > >>>>>> Workspace > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > >>>>>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when > >>>>>>> Workspaces > >>>>>>>> activated". > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 > >>> (which > >>>> was > >>>>>>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull > >>> request. I > >>>>>> have > >>>>>>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> == Proposal A == > >>>>>>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > >>>>>>>> Logged as admin: > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > >>>>>>>> Not logged as admin: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You can get it from this commit: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138 > >>>>>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal > >>>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In your screenshot is: > >>>>>> * Home > >>>>>> ** Administer Main Wiki > >>>>>> ** Wiki Directory > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What it was proposed: > >>>>>> * Home > >>>>>> ** Administration > >>>>>> ** Wikis Index > >>>>>> ** .... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: > >>>>>> - "Administration" > >>>>>> or > >>>>>> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" > >>>>>> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the > >>>> current > >>>>>>> menus: > >>>>>>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when > >> we > >>>> are > >>>>>> in > >>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate > >>> both > >>>>>> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the > >>>> current > >>>>>>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" > >> and > >>>>>>> several > >>>>>>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, > >>> in > >>>> the > >>>>>>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction > >> between > >>>>>> "main" > >>>>>>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows > >>> the > >>>>>>> users > >>>>>>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call > >>> the > >>>>>> menu > >>>>>>>> "System" or "XWiki". > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu > >>>> displays > >>>>>> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent > >> with > >>>> the > >>>>>> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only > >> have > >>> a > >>>>>>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has > >> more > >>>>>>> content. > >>>>>>>> It does not look good. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In the proposal there is > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > >>>>>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we > >> could > >>>> also > >>>>>> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" > >>>> (especially > >>>>>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located > >>> in > >>>> the > >>>>>> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have > >> a > >>>>>> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the > >>> submenu, > >>>> we > >>>>>> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home > >> (mainwiki)). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" > >>>> twice: > >>>>>>> once > >>>>>>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > >>>>>>>> - The left menu has too many items. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > >>>>>> * Menu in the (sub)wiki > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > >>>>>> in > >>>>>> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of > >>>> content' > >>>>>> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> == Proposal B == > >>>>>>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in > >> 5.2M2, > >>>> so we > >>>>>>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal > >>>>>>>> B). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the > >> left > >>>>>> side, > >>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can > >> actually > >>>>>>> achieve > >>>>>>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", > >> "Delete" > >>>> or > >>>>>>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it > >>> just > >>>>>>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's > >> more a > >>>>>>> "System" > >>>>>>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why > >> we > >>>> put > >>>>>> it > >>>>>>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less > >>>>>> confusing. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content > >>> organization > >>>>>> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. > >>>>>> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || > >> User". > >>>> The > >>>>>> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your > >>>> location in > >>>>>> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related > >>>> actions. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to > >> customize > >>>>>> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it > >>> their > >>>>>> own. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> == Proposal C == > >>>>>>>> We had also this idea: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC) > >>>>>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the > >> "Main > >>>> Wiki" > >>>>>>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > >>>>>>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Crowded and serves as a double function. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What > >>> should I > >>>>>> do? > >>>>>>> Do > >>>>>>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, > >>>> because he > >>>>>>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still > >>> be > >>>>>>> changed > >>>>>>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > >>>>>>>> Current implementation: > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > >>>>>>>> Mockup with the new skin: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> B - "XWiki" right menu: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > >>>>>>>> > >>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, > >>>>>>> regarding > >>>>>>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We > >> must > >>>> have > >>>>>> a > >>>>>>>> consensus for the RC1! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > >>>>>>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > >>>>>>>> -1 for proposal C. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: > >>>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > >>>>>> > >>>>>> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) > >>>>>> * Home > >>>>>> ** Administration > >>>>>> ** --- > >>>>>> ** Wikis Index/Directory > >>>>>> ** Documents Index > >>>>>> > >>>>>> (Home/mainwiki) > >>>>>> * Home > >>>>>> ** Watch Home > >>>>>> ** Administer Home > >>>>>> ** --- > >>>>>> ** Wikis Index > >>>>>> ** Documents Index > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> Caty > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
