2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> > Hi, > > This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm sorry if > this was already discussed. > > My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I suppose > it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just > calling it "User Directory" like it is right now. > > I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User Index", > but I don't think it's the same thing. >
Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is that true Caty? But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not... > > Ludovic > > > 2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> > > > You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 > > > > Thanks, > > LM > > > > > > 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Indeed, the proposal A was based on > > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead > > > > of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu. > > > > > > > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. > > > > > > > > Let me recap: > > > > > > > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". > > > > > > > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu > > > > > > > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu > > > > > > > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. > > > > > > > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. > > > > > > > > > > I like both B and E. > > > > > > I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis > > > are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the > > > main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I > > > understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where > > > to put this menu. > > > > > > What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. > > > Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that > > > menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. > > > > > > I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of > > > the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). > > > Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. > > > > > > -Fabio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > About E: > > > > Some issues IMHO: > > > > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki > and > > > > when you are in the subwiki. > > > > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the > users > > > and > > > > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't > it > > > be > > > > confusing? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected] > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > You forgot one proposal which I like: > > > >> > > > > >> > == Proposal D == > > > >> > > > > >> > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) > > > >> > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current > wiki > > > >> > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow > > navigating > > > >> > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other > > > wikis > > > >> > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover > over > > > the > > > >> > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with > first > > > >> entry > > > >> > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry > with > > > >> "Wiki > > > >> > Index" for example. > > > >> > > > > >> > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the > > > logo as > > > >> > a way to navigate to the home of wiki. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks > > > >> > -Vincent > > > >> > > > > >> > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < > > > >> > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > Hi developers. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate > > > >> Workspace > > > >> > in > > > >> > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > > > >> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when > > > >> > Workspaces > > > >> > > activated". > > > >> > > > > > >> > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 > > (which > > > was > > > >> > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull > > request. I > > > >> have > > > >> > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > == Proposal A == > > > >> > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > > > >> > > Logged as admin: > > > >> > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > > > >> > > Not logged as admin: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png > > > >> > > > > > >> > > You can get it from this commit: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138 > > > >> > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal > > > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > > >> > > > >> In your screenshot is: > > > >> * Home > > > >> ** Administer Main Wiki > > > >> ** Wiki Directory > > > >> > > > >> What it was proposed: > > > >> * Home > > > >> ** Administration > > > >> ** Wikis Index > > > >> ** .... > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > > > >> > > > >> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: > > > >> - "Administration" > > > >> or > > > >> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" > > > >> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the > > > current > > > >> > menus: > > > >> > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when > we > > > are > > > >> in > > > >> > a > > > >> > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate > > both > > > >> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the > > > current > > > >> > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" > and > > > >> > several > > > >> > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, > > in > > > the > > > >> > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction > between > > > >> "main" > > > >> > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows > > the > > > >> > users > > > >> > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call > > the > > > >> menu > > > >> > > "System" or "XWiki". > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu > > > displays > > > >> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent > with > > > the > > > >> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > > > >> > > > >> > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only > have > > a > > > >> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has > more > > > >> > content. > > > >> > > It does not look good. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> In the proposal there is > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > > > >> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we > could > > > also > > > >> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" > > > (especially > > > >> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located > > in > > > the > > > >> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have > a > > > >> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. > > > >> > > > >> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the > > submenu, > > > we > > > >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home > (mainwiki)). > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" > > > twice: > > > >> > once > > > >> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > > > >> > > - The left menu has too many items. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > > > >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > > > >> in > > > >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > > > >> > > > >> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of > > > content' > > > >> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > == Proposal B == > > > >> > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in > 5.2M2, > > > so we > > > >> > > started to iterate until having this proposal: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal > > > >> > > B). > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the > left > > > >> side, > > > >> > we > > > >> > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can > actually > > > >> > achieve > > > >> > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", > "Delete" > > > or > > > >> > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it > > just > > > >> > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's > more a > > > >> > "System" > > > >> > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why > we > > > put > > > >> it > > > >> > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less > > > >> confusing. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content > > organization > > > >> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. > > > >> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || > User". > > > The > > > >> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your > > > location in > > > >> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related > > > actions. > > > >> > > > >> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to > customize > > > >> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it > > their > > > >> own. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > == Proposal C == > > > >> > > We had also this idea: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC) > > > >> > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the > "Main > > > Wiki" > > > >> > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > > > >> > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> Crowded and serves as a double function. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > --- > > > >> > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What > > should I > > > >> do? > > > >> > Do > > > >> > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, > > > because he > > > >> > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still > > be > > > >> > changed > > > >> > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > > > >> > > Current implementation: > > > >> > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > > > >> > > Mockup with the new skin: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png > > > >> > > > > > >> > > B - "XWiki" right menu: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png > > > >> > > > > > >> > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > > > >> > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, > > > >> > regarding > > > >> > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We > must > > > have > > > >> a > > > >> > > consensus for the RC1! > > > >> > > > > > >> > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > > > >> > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > > > >> > > -1 for proposal C. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: > > > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > > >> > > > >> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) > > > >> * Home > > > >> ** Administration > > > >> ** --- > > > >> ** Wikis Index/Directory > > > >> ** Documents Index > > > >> > > > >> (Home/mainwiki) > > > >> * Home > > > >> ** Watch Home > > > >> ** Administer Home > > > >> ** --- > > > >> ** Wikis Index > > > >> ** Documents Index > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> Caty > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Louis-Marie > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > > devs mailing list > > > >> > > [email protected] > > > >> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > >> > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > devs mailing list > > > >> > [email protected] > > > >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> devs mailing list > > > >> [email protected] > > > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > devs mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > -- > Ludovic Dubost > Founder and CEO > Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ > XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com > Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
