Hi, The current behavior was reached after many discussions. Currently the concept of main wiki is expressed as the 'home' icon, but is not tied to a particular space. This is something we preserved and is flexible enough for users with custom content to change the location of the homepage or assigned a different space, for a different subwiki.
Also we needed to showcase differently spaces that are top level, vs. pages inside the Main space, while having the limited number of exceptions created for the breadcrumb. Also I wouldn't like that all the URL contain the word 'Main'. Imagine that besides the 'xwiki/bin/view/' we would need to also contain the homepage space? Although we have a convention that a certain page is displayed as homepage, this is not needed to be in the URL. 'home' icon is a link for the homepage, not a physical location. Currently the 'Main' space can contain pages useful for the display of the homepage, but is an 'optional' space. Thanks, Caty On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Edy, > > thanks for the explanation. Please see my feedback below. > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Yes, "this is not a bug, it's a feature!" :) I had documented it in a > small > > paragraph [1] (see the note) but did not feel it was worthy to be > mentioned > > in the release notes. Please feel free to rephrase if needed. > > > > It's not specifically about "Main", but about the current wiki's homepage > > (and "Main.WebHome" is the default homepage that can be changed from > > administration). > > > > Does this feature (changing the home page) still makes sense in the context > of nested spaces? What is the point to define the home page as ".../A/B/C" > when based on the new system, "C" is a sub-sub page? > > To me, with nested spaces the home page is always the same and cannot be > changed. You may want to add a redirect, but this doesn't change the fact > that the top page is the same. > > > > The effort is to try to avoid the situation where a regular user lands on > > the homepage of the wiki (just accessed the wiki or maybe he clicked the > > logo) and wants to create a document. He enters the title and presses > > "create". Obviously his intention was to create a page, and, more often > > than not (IMO at least), his actual intention was to create a top level > > document and not a child document of the wiki's current homepage. > > > > I agree with this. However, in that case, shouldn't the home page be simply > *https://<server>/xwiki/bin/view/* instead of > *https://<server>/xwiki/bin/view/Main/* ? > > Using short URLs, you could even have the home page under *https:// > <server>/ > *and then subpages at *https://<server>/A, **https://<server>/A/B* and so > on. This would be in line with what most CMS do and it would fix your > issue: any page created from the home is a sub-page at the expected level. > > Image the homepage gets changed to "Some.Deep.Document.As.Homepage". > > Without this "trick", a regular user would end up, by mistake IMO (and by > > using the "next-next-next" mindset), creating the document > > "Some.Deep.Document.As.Homepage.NewDocument". > > > > As I said above, I actually think we should remove this feature in the > context of nested spaces. > > > > Even if the homepage remains the default one, I see no logical reason in > > spamming all the new documents with the "Main" prefix, the result being > an > > artificially deeper hierarchy and longer URL. > > > > Agreed. As mentioned above, ideally we'd remove it. > > > > If a user really intended to create a document as a child of the homepage > > (rare usecase IMO), he has all the tools in the UI to simply do so. > > > > I agree that it's a minor consistency dent, but IMO the benefit justifies > > it. > > > > I don't quite agree that it's minor. One of the implied goals of nested > spaces is to be able to have consistent URL naming (I know exactly where > page *https://<server>/A/B/C *is). Having a special case for Main breaks > this. > > Similarly, when on the home page on the main wiki, I don't understand why > the breadcrumb shows both the "home" icon and "Home" text. Why keep both > when the icon would be enough? > > Thanks, > > Guillaume > > WDYT? (interested in more opinions on this since I've already had 2 > > eyebrows raised on this topic :) ) > > > > Thanks, > > Eduard > > > > --------- > > [1] > > > > > http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/DocumentLifecycle#HByusingtheAddPageaction > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Devs, > > > > > > I started trying out XE 7.2 (SNAPSHOT from around 12:30 today) and I > was > > > very impressed, the changes look quite good! > > > > > > While playing with it, I had a question about how the "Main" space is > > > handled. Here's what I did: from .../xwiki/bin/view/Main/, I clicked > the > > > "create" button and created a sub page, then a sub-sub page. Here's > what > > I > > > got: > > > > > > - .../xwiki/bin/view/SubPage/SubSubPage > > > > > > Although I was expecting this: > > > > > > - .../xwiki/bin/view/Main/SubPage/SubSubPage > > > > > > So I was wondering whether this was the expected behavior, and whether > it > > > had been discussed before? > > > > > > Congrats & Thanks, > > > > > > Guillaume > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
