On 14 Jan 2016 at 15:01:00, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
> So is this project will contain just Ideas that we can't put somewhere
> else?
yes
> Since I believe is better to have ideas for Forum Application reported in
> the appropriate project (XAFORUM) and not in the generic Ideas project.
when they exist yes, I agree
[snip]
> > It’ll never be implemented there because we decided that the repos of the
> > xwiki github org are for core stuff only (see my comment on the issue). So
> > why mislead people into thinking it might be implemented when we know it
> > won’t?
> >
>
> If we know we won't implement them we can close them, although in time we
> managed to implement the important things.
>
> For the record the design.xwiki.org app has an Idea status too so already
> we are splitting ideas in multiple places.
Yes design.xwiki.org was previously a space called Ideas on dev.xwiki.org but
since it’s been moved and renamed it’s no longer about ideas but about designs
(ie the next step, once you start working on an idea).
One alternative I thought about was to reuse the existing JIRA Contrib project
for letting users add new ideas (note that we’re going in the direction of
trying to remove it by having each contrib project have its own jira but we
could keep the Contrib JIRA project with a single issue type of type Idea).
However I feel that a top level IDEA project named “Ideas” would be simpler for
users to find and report into. It would be our job (our = the xwiki community)
to then move those jiras to existing projects (when they exist).
At the same time if we keep the “Idea” issue type in existing projects, maybe
users will wonder why the 2 places.
So to sum up we have the following options (for all those options we keep the
Idea issue type in existing jira projects):
A) Do nothing. Just close the issue as won’t fix as I’ve done for
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature)
B) Create a top level JIRA project called Ideas, as explained above. And move
XWIKI-1103 to it.
C) Reuse the Contrib jira project for that (as explained above too). And move
XWIKI-1103 to it.
D) Use http://design.xwiki.org for ideas too. Note that on that site we
currently ask users to create a jira issue, after they discuss it on the list.
E) Use another wiki page on xwiki.org called Ideas where we ask users to edit
and add their ideas.
F) Use the Ideas Application on xwiki.org
For D), E) and F) when a dev starts working on the idea he’d create the
associated jira issue.
What do you prefer?
Thanks
-Vincent
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
>
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Caty
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:42 PM, [email protected]
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Caty,
> > > >
> > > > I have probably not expressed myself correctly. The goal is not to list
> > > > all Ideas :)
> > > >
> > > > The goal is that we need to separate stuff that is platform from stuff
> > > > that is NOT platform. Regarding XWIKI-1103 for example, I’ve closed it
> > but
> > > > it’s a pity because 1) it’s not done and 2) it’s a good idea. It just
> > > > doesn’t belong in the XWIKI JIRA project anymore.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > -Vincent
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 14 Jan 2016 at 14:39:32, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (
> > [email protected]
> > > > (mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > -0
> > > > >
> > > > > I think we should just mark correctly issues with 'Idea' instead of
> > 'New
> > > > > feature' like in the example you gave
> > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103
> > > > >
> > > > > If they are marked correctly then you can easily make a query and
> > > > reference
> > > > > them to contributors and students.
> > > > >
> > > > > For example this query
> > > > >
> > > >
> > https://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?jql=issuetype%20%3D%20Idea%20AND%20status%20%3D%20Open%20AND%20category%20%3D%2010000
> > > > > will list all the open ideas in the Top Level Projects.
> > > > >
> > > > > For example: from the 110 issues opened, there are:
> > > > > 83 on Platform (13 on Templates, 5 on Model, 4 on Rendering, 4 on
> > > > Flamingo,
> > > > > etc.)
> > > > > 13 on Rendering
> > > > > 7 on Enterprise
> > > > > 5 on Commons
> > > > > 2 on Infrastructure
> > > > >
> > > > > The advantage is that the components and projects are marked
> > correctly
> > > > and
> > > > > we already did this job and we don't have to move them all in the new
> > > > > project, create new components, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Caty
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Thomas Mortagne > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not sure about that, it's still OK to have idea in XWIKI jira
> > > > > > project as long as the idea is specifically about core stuff.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:25 AM, [email protected]
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > I forgot to mention that this means removing the “Idea” issue
> > type in
> > > > > > the XWIKI jira project IMO.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > -Vincent
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 14 Jan 2016 at 11:02:44, [email protected] (
> > [email protected]
> > > > > > (mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Hi devs,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Since we’ve decided that the xwiki github organization will
> > contain
> > > > > > only core extensions and that we want to move non-core extensions
> > > > outside
> > > > > > (most likely to the contrib github organization), and since in
> > contrib
> > > > each
> > > > > > project has its own jira project, I think we need a jira project
> > for
> > > > people
> > > > > > to propose ideas.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Of course we could also have installed the Idea app (
> > > > > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Ideas) on
> > > > xwiki.org
> > > > > > but since we manager our issues with JIRA we’d have to copy them to
> > > > jira
> > > > > > anyway.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> So my proposal is to create a top level JIRA project called
> > “Ideas”
> > > > and
> > > > > > to document it on
> > > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> This will also allow us to move issues such as
> > > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature),
> > which are
> > > > > > currently in the XWIKI JIRA project to the Ideas project and can be
> > > > used as
> > > > > > a place where contributors or GSOC students can get ideas from.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Of course if someone suggest an idea that is something core,
> > we’d
> > > > move
> > > > > > it to the XWIKI Jira project ourselves.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> WDYT?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Thanks
> > > > > > >> -Vincent
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