+1 for B Thanks, Marius
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote: > +1 for B) > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:56 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 14 Jan 2016 at 15:01:00, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ([email protected] > (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: > > > >> So is this project will contain just Ideas that we can't put somewhere > >> else? > > > > yes > > > >> Since I believe is better to have ideas for Forum Application reported > in > >> the appropriate project (XAFORUM) and not in the generic Ideas project. > > > > when they exist yes, I agree > > > > [snip] > > > >> > It’ll never be implemented there because we decided that the repos of > the > >> > xwiki github org are for core stuff only (see my comment on the > issue). So > >> > why mislead people into thinking it might be implemented when we know > it > >> > won’t? > >> > > >> > >> If we know we won't implement them we can close them, although in time > we > >> managed to implement the important things. > >> > >> For the record the design.xwiki.org app has an Idea status too so > already > >> we are splitting ideas in multiple places. > > > > Yes design.xwiki.org was previously a space called Ideas on > dev.xwiki.org but since it’s been moved and renamed it’s no longer about > ideas but about designs (ie the next step, once you start working on an > idea). > > > > One alternative I thought about was to reuse the existing JIRA Contrib > project for letting users add new ideas (note that we’re going in the > direction of trying to remove it by having each contrib project have its > own jira but we could keep the Contrib JIRA project with a single issue > type of type Idea). > > > > However I feel that a top level IDEA project named “Ideas” would be > simpler for users to find and report into. It would be our job (our = the > xwiki community) to then move those jiras to existing projects (when they > exist). > > > > At the same time if we keep the “Idea” issue type in existing projects, > maybe users will wonder why the 2 places. > > > > So to sum up we have the following options (for all those options we > keep the Idea issue type in existing jira projects): > > > > A) Do nothing. Just close the issue as won’t fix as I’ve done for > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature) > > It's a pity to close things like this. Having a place to find ideas of > things to contribute to XWiki would be great. > > > B) Create a top level JIRA project called Ideas, as explained above. And > move XWIKI-1103 to it. > > This is my preference by far. > > > C) Reuse the Contrib jira project for that (as explained above too). And > move XWIKI-1103 to it. > > "Ideas" named project is much more explicit plus ideas would be messed > with various dead contrib extension issues. We need to empty this > Contrib project and get rid of it. > > > D) Use http://design.xwiki.org for ideas too. Note that on that site we > currently ask users to create a jira issue, after they discuss it on the > list. > > IMO design.xwiki.org is not here to suggest ideas but it's the next > step. When you start having more details about how the idea should > look like and be implemented. > > > E) Use another wiki page on xwiki.org called Ideas where we ask users > to edit and add their ideas. > > -1, too painfull > > > F) Use the Ideas Application on xwiki.org > > Ideas application is nice but I feel that those ideas will end up in > jira eventually anyway and jira is THE place to report stuff (stuff > that dn't work, stuff you would like to see implemented, etc.). > > > > > For D), E) and F) when a dev starts working on the idea he’d create the > associated jira issue. > > > > What do you prefer? > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > >> Thanks, > >> Caty > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > -Vincent > >> > > >> > > Thanks, > >> > > Caty > >> > > > >> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:42 PM, [email protected] > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Hi Caty, > >> > > > > >> > > > I have probably not expressed myself correctly. The goal is not > to list > >> > > > all Ideas :) > >> > > > > >> > > > The goal is that we need to separate stuff that is platform from > stuff > >> > > > that is NOT platform. Regarding XWIKI-1103 for example, I’ve > closed it > >> > but > >> > > > it’s a pity because 1) it’s not done and 2) it’s a good idea. It > just > >> > > > doesn’t belong in the XWIKI JIRA project anymore. > >> > > > > >> > > > Thanks > >> > > > -Vincent > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On 14 Jan 2016 at 14:39:32, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ( > >> > [email protected] > >> > > > (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > -0 > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I think we should just mark correctly issues with 'Idea' > instead of > >> > 'New > >> > > > > feature' like in the example you gave > >> > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 > >> > > > > > >> > > > > If they are marked correctly then you can easily make a query > and > >> > > > reference > >> > > > > them to contributors and students. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > For example this query > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > https://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?jql=issuetype%20%3D%20Idea%20AND%20status%20%3D%20Open%20AND%20category%20%3D%2010000 > >> > > > > will list all the open ideas in the Top Level Projects. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > For example: from the 110 issues opened, there are: > >> > > > > 83 on Platform (13 on Templates, 5 on Model, 4 on Rendering, 4 > on > >> > > > Flamingo, > >> > > > > etc.) > >> > > > > 13 on Rendering > >> > > > > 7 on Enterprise > >> > > > > 5 on Commons > >> > > > > 2 on Infrastructure > >> > > > > > >> > > > > The advantage is that the components and projects are marked > >> > correctly > >> > > > and > >> > > > > we already did this job and we don't have to move them all in > the new > >> > > > > project, create new components, etc. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks, > >> > > > > Caty > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Thomas Mortagne > > wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I'm not sure about that, it's still OK to have idea in XWIKI > jira > >> > > > > > project as long as the idea is specifically about core stuff. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:25 AM, [email protected] > >> > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > I forgot to mention that this means removing the “Idea” > issue > >> > type in > >> > > > > > the XWIKI jira project IMO. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks > >> > > > > > > -Vincent > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 14 Jan 2016 at 11:02:44, [email protected] ( > >> > [email protected] > >> > > > > > (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Hi devs, > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> Since we’ve decided that the xwiki github organization will > >> > contain > >> > > > > > only core extensions and that we want to move non-core > extensions > >> > > > outside > >> > > > > > (most likely to the contrib github organization), and since in > >> > contrib > >> > > > each > >> > > > > > project has its own jira project, I think we need a jira > project > >> > for > >> > > > people > >> > > > > > to propose ideas. > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> Of course we could also have installed the Idea app ( > >> > > > > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Ideas) > on > >> > > > xwiki.org > >> > > > > > but since we manager our issues with JIRA we’d have to copy > them to > >> > > > jira > >> > > > > > anyway. > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> So my proposal is to create a top level JIRA project called > >> > “Ideas” > >> > > > and > >> > > > > > to document it on > >> > > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing. > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> This will also allow us to move issues such as > >> > > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature), > >> > which are > >> > > > > > currently in the XWIKI JIRA project to the Ideas project and > can be > >> > > > used as > >> > > > > > a place where contributors or GSOC students can get ideas > from. > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> Of course if someone suggest an idea that is something > core, > >> > we’d > >> > > > move > >> > > > > > it to the XWIKI Jira project ourselves. > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> WDYT? > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> Thanks > >> > > > > > >> -Vincent > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
