Hi Caty, 

I don’t understand why you count Marius for 2 when he said:

"In that case I'm OK with version (1).”

Thanks
-Vincent

> On 13 Jun 2016, at 13:17, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Votes so far:
> 1. 3 = +1 (Ludovic), +1 (Caleb), +0 (Marius), +1 (Vincent), +0 (Caty)
> 2. 3 = +1 (GD), +1 (Marius), +1 (Caty)
> 
> Thanks,
> Caty
> 
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]
>> wrote:
> 
>> Vincent, my understanding was that you had a certain preference, but it's
>> true that you didn't explicitly voted. In this case I will try to count
>> just the explicit (+/- 0,1) votes.
>> 
>> Still (after going on the mails) I will consider formulations like "vote",
>> "preferred", "favor", "OK" - although I might be wrong, since otherwise is
>> hard to translate the feedback received in votes. Would be ideal if people
>> would vote explicitly.
>> 
>> So, votes so far:
>> 1. +1 (Ludovic), +1 (Caleb), +0 (Marius), +1 (Vincent), +0 (Caty)
>> 2. +1 (GD), +1 (Marius), +1 (Caty)
>> 3. +1 (GL), -1 (Caty)
>> 
>> Hope I didn't do mistakes, otherwise state them and we will correct the
>> vote.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Caty
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>>> On 08 Jun 2016, at 13:50, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Votes so far on layout:
>>>> 1. +1 (Ludovic), +1 (Caleb)
>>>> 2. +1 (GD), +1 (Marius), +1 (Vincent)
>>> 
>>> That’s not correct. I haven’t voted yet and I never said that the tree
>>> shouldn’t be there.
>>> 
>>> I just highlighted pros and cons of each :)
>>> 
>>> +1 to 1 because:
>>> - This is the option that shows clearly the concept of page hierarchy to
>>> users
>>> - Admins can then choose to keep it, only keep the AppBar (workgroup
>>> flavor-style) or only keep the Tree (documentation flavor-style)
>>> - This is about the default flavor which is generic. When we introduce
>>> more flavors in the future, those flavors can favor a different panel
>>> organization depending what’s best for them
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>> 
>>>> 3. +1 (GL)
>>>> 
>>>> After more discussions the vote swifted towards:
>>>> 1. +1 (Ludovic), +1 (Caleb), +0 (Marius), +0 (Vincent)
>>>> 2. +1 (GD), +1 (Marius), +1 (Vincent)
>>>> 3. +1 (GL)
>>>> 
>>>> My preference goes to 2.
>>>> 
>>>> I vote for 2 since I believe that the Tree is already in the Breadcrumb,
>>>> and the breadcrumb is introduced by the Tour.
>>>> I vote for 2 since we have scalability issues that I believe they will
>>> pose
>>>> some problems on the long run for the users.
>>>> 
>>>> The only advantage var 1 has is that it displays the tree from the
>>> start to
>>>> the user. But after a time the user will be 'forced' to configure its
>>> wiki
>>>> and remove it.
>>>> Each time the user will install a new app, both the Appbar and the Tree
>>>> will increase in size.
>>>> 
>>>> I like much more the classic AppBar navigation pattern and I think
>>> XWiki's
>>>> greater strength is in applications.
>>>> 
>>>> We are lacking now multiple flavors that could showcase both the KB and
>>>> Groupware cases, but if I were to choose a default, that would be
>>>> Groupware.
>>>> 
>>>> So on V1 I will be +0, but definitely -1 on V3.
>>>> 
>>>> Votes so far:
>>>> 1. +1 (Ludovic), +1 (Caleb), +0 (Marius), +0 (Vincent), +0 (Caty)
>>>> 2. +1 (GD), +1 (Marius), +1 (Vincent), +1 (Caty)
>>>> 3. +1 (GL), -1 (Caty)
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Caty
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I disagree with this point, as a user of web interfaces I don't care if
>>>>> they look completely busted as long as I can make use of them, even if
>>> they
>>>>> become unusable in 5% of the situations, that's 95% where I can use
>>> them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Granted if we ship something that looks broken it's an embarassement
>>> but
>>>>> if we ship something that a person cannot navigate then we don't even
>>> have
>>>>> them complaining at us, they just become another silent non-adopter.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 08/06/16 11:01, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I think version (1) looks good but it doesn't scale with what we
>>> have
>>>>>> right now. Thus I'm more in favour of solution (2), at least until we
>>> can
>>>>>> resize the panel width.
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