On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < [email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Guillaume, > > Thanks for starting this thread. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Current Drawer analysis: > > Languages ( L / G ) > --- > Home ( G ) [N] > --- > Administer wiki ( L ) [A] [W] > --- > Wiki Index ( G ) [I] [W] > Page Index ( L ) [I] > User Index ( L / G ) [I] > Applications Index ( L) [I] > --- > Create wiki ( G ) [A] [W] > --- > Delete wiki ( L ) [A] [W] > > > L = Local/Wiki setting/action/effect > G = Global/Farm setting/action/effect > > N = Navigation > A = Action > W = Wiki entity > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Some examples of grouping: > 1. Local / Global effect grouping (ex. Main/Subwiki actions should be > grouped) > 2. Entities grouping (Wiki related actions should be grouped: create, > administer, delete, etc.) > 3. Index grouping (group all index applications together) > 4. Navigation grouping (to Main wiki or other wikis) > 5. Actions grouping > 6. other? > > So the main question is what grouping would we want to prioritize first: > 1-5? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Some things to consider: > A. Naming consistency: > > A1. Across wiki: we need to consider the terms usage. For example Home vs. > Homepage; Wiki vs. Subwiki; Settings vs. Administration; Wiki Index vs. > Browse all wikis vs. Show all wikis > -- We need to align these usages and pick the one most relevant for the end > user and correct as terminology > +1, Pages/Users/Applications is not consistent with "Show all wikis" in P5. Using simply "Wikis" would be more consistent. > A2. Across the menu: this implies having all entries plural/singular or > having the same additional text (ex. do we mark Indexes the same way? > Administer wiki / Delete this wiki / Create a new wiki, etc.) > > B. Explicit (vs. Cryptic) > -- how explicit should we make the labels vs. icons usage > > C. Quick access to local actions > -- in subwikis we should optimize for local actions and try to display them > first, since some teams might have dedicated wikis and the main wiki could > be used just as a portal or as a farm > > D. Order most used actions first > -- for example 'Delete wiki' is not a very used action > > E. Navigation vs. Actions grouping > E1. Actions removal > > -- for example we could even remove 'Delete wiki' action and consider that > the wiki management actions can be accessed just from Wiki Index > +1. I would also remove Create Wiki. A single entry to "Manage Wikis" where you can view, create and delete wikis is better IMO. > -- this would mean that 'Administrate wiki' would be removed too, and we > use that action a lot in the initial configuration phases, so that would > increase the time to reach Administration > -1 wiki administration is a very common action for admins. Thanks, Marius > E2. Adding more wiki navigation > -- For example http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12538 talks about having > a way to add quick access to other subwikis (ideally as favorites, since > listing all wikis does not scale) > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposals grouping feedback: > Current. -1 (Local/Global), -2 (Wiki grouping), +3 (Indexes), partial 4 > (Navigation), -5 (Actions) || +A2 (Naming consistency), -C (Quick access) > P1. -1 (Local/Global), partial 2 (Wiki grouping), +3 (indexes), partial 4 > (Navigation), partial 5 (Actions) || +A2 (Naming consistency), -C (Quick > access) > P2. partial 1 (Local/Global), -2 (Wiki grouping), partial 3 (Indexes), -4 > (Navigation), -5 (Actions) || +A2 (Naming consistency), +C (Quick access) > P3. partial 1 (Local/Global), -2 (Wiki grouping), +3 (Indexes), -4 > (Navigation), -5 (Actions) || +A2 (Naming consistency), +C (Quick access) > P4. -1 (Local/Global), partial 2 (Wiki grouping), +3 (Indexes), -4 > (Navigation), +5 (Actions) || +A2 (Naming consistency), partial C (Quick > access) > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > The problem is that when you approach an usability problem using these kind > of grouping / grading it's very easy to fall in the 'technicalities' trap > and not think about the user perspective. > > So although I understand why I proposed P1-4, for users it will not make > sense. That's why I like P5, because the grouping comes natural and is more > explicit, although is not using the consistent terminology. > > P5: +1 (Local/Global), -2 (Wiki grouping), -3 (Indexes), partial 4 > (Navigation), -5 (Actions) || -A2 (Naming consistency), -A1 (Across wiki), > +B (Explicit), +C (Quick access to local), ? D (Most used actions) > > Things to fix for P5: > - Think where to fit the "Languages" > - A1 + A2: we need to think about the naming of Indexes (especially Wiki > Index in this case) and fix them in drawer and across; replace Settings > with Administration; fix the "Go to ..."; consistent actions naming. > > Additionally we should fix A1 (see http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9363 > ) > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Before starting this thread I tried to rethink about a new solution and I > came up with > P6: -1 (Local/Global), +2 (Wiki grouping), +3 (Indexes), +4 (Navigation), > +5 (Actions) || +A2 (Naming consistency), -A1 (Across wiki), -B > (Cryptic/Iconography), -C (Quick access), ? D (Most used actions), +E2 > (More navigation) > > i) Having Indexes listed before local actions (will give a -C for quick > access), but the advantage is that the menu composition will change less if > we visit main wiki vs. subwikis. P5 also have this propety. > > ii) I've grouped and added more navigation by providing the list of wikis. > There are several problems with this approach: > ii.1 - not scalable for large number of wikis (even though I've put an > accordion there) > ii.2 - cryptic actions (icon usage for Create, Administration, Delete wiki) > ii.3 - mobile issues (because the icons are very small and we will need a > different layout for mobiles or we might have problems with large wiki > names) > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks, > Caty > > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Miroslav Galajda < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi, I vote for P5 proposal. > > > > Mirec > > > > On 26 October 2016 at 10:28, Guillaume Delhumeau < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > No opinion? > > > > > > 2016-10-24 18:09 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau < > > > [email protected]>: > > > > > > > Hello dear developers and XWiki users. > > > > > > > > I would you to take a look at the issue > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/ > > > > XWIKI-13070. > > > > > > > > The problem is that the current order (that I have implemented based > on > > > my > > > > intuition) seems to not be clear for our users. The main point is > that > > > the > > > > menu mixes up global items (Home wiki, Wiki Index) and local ones > > > > (Administer Wiki, Page Index, Delete wiki, etc...). > > > > > > > > Caty and Oliver have made some proposals that you could find in the > > > issue. > > > > > > > > They are called P1, P2, P3, P4 and P5. > > > > > > > > I propose you to express your preferences so we can implement it > based > > on > > > > a consensus. > > > > > > > > Here are mine: > > > > > > > > P1: There is a logical order and separation between item. However, it > > > > seems the more used actions (Wiki Index, Page Index) are less visible > > > than > > > > some other (Delete Wiki, Create Wiki...) > > > > > > > > P2: The order and the separation are logic. The "delete wiki" action > is > > > > still very visible but all other items are good. > > > > > > > > P3: Same than P2. Except that having "Wiki Index" along with "User, > > Page > > > > and Application Index" mixes up local and global items. > > > > > > > > P4: Why not, but maybe the 3 first actions should be placed after the > > > > other ones, since they would be less used. Same remark about the > mixing > > > of > > > > local and global items. > > > > > > > > P5: A clear distinction between local and global scope. More used > items > > > > are located first. This is my favorite one. > > > > > > > > > > > > So +1 for P5, +0 for the other options so far. > > > > > > > > Now, what about you? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > PS: I send this message to both devs and users mailing lists, > because I > > > > think users are directly concerned by this topic. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > > > > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > > > Committer on the XWiki.org project > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > > > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > > Committer on the XWiki.org project > > > _______________________________________________ > > > users mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > users mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
