On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
> 2016-11-17 16:18 GMT+01:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>: > > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > According to your suggestions, I have started some iterations in a real > > > wiki. > > > > > > Proposition 8, iteration 1 > > > ================== > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/attachment/33243/P8_iter1.png > > > > > > * Same wording > > > * Separation between wiki-related items and global items > > > * Remove "Home", because it's already in the breadcrumb and it is not > > > necessary to have it in this "often used features" menu. > > > "Create Wiki" and "Delete Wiki", because it should be done inside the > > Wiki > > > Index. > > > > > > > > Some remarks: > > - We don't use officially the "subwiki" term. We have just "Wiki", see > > http://markmail.org/message/cehvpds5qmljq5f7 > > - In Olivier's proposal there was also the name of the subwiki which was > > somehow interesting > > - There is an inconsistency between "Subwiki" and "Global actions" ... > they > > should be similar in terms of naming structure (with or without > "actions") > > - If you remove "Create wiki" and "Delete wiki" then I don't see such a > > need for the "subwiki-global" separation, since "Wiki Index" will be > lonely > > > > I don't see this as a problem. An item could be lonely. > > > > -- We said we move "Create wiki" in the Wiki Index, but there we will > have > > other problems in terms of displaying the option: will be make it part of > > the Create step? Do we create a separate button for it? How do we display > > it? > > > > I don't understand your question. Previously, we had a "Create wiki" link > in the Wiki Index. We have removed it because we put it into the Create > button instead when that button was on the top bar. > > Now we don't have the add button on the top bar anymore, so the "Create > Wiki" link could go back to the Wiki Index. > > > > - For wikis that allow just local users, the breadcrumb home doesn't take > > you to the Global home, but removing "Home" won't impact in this case, > > since apparently we don't display Home at all in this case. The problem > is > > that for these cases, the users won't know how to go back to the main > wiki. > > > > Yes, it's a "feature" :) On a farm, the system administrator may want to > hide the other wikis to the users. For example, if your farm host a > "cocacola" and a "pepsi" wiki, you could decide to hide this fact to their > users :) > > > > > > > > > > > Proposition 8, iteration 2 > > > ================== > > > On subwiki: > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/attachment/33245/P8_iter2.png > > > > > > On main wiki: > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/attachment/33246/P8_iter2_mainwiki.png > > > > > > * Same but with a more human wording > > > * Applications is displayed before users, because I think we more often > > > need to use an app than we need to see other users > > > > > > > - Administration is a "human" wording and also it's used across our > > documentation and interface. Also it goes hand in hand with the > > Administrator user. I don't see big improvements in changing to the > > "Settings" wording. > > - There is a problem with "All Users" since in some setups, where you > have > > local users, that link won't take you to "all" users. Again hard to say > > that it's really a correct separation. > > - Regarding the order, we should define a rule. It could either be > > alphabetical or usage (although that is hard to compute). With the > mention > > that extremes are easier to access. So for example first and last items > in > > a list are easier to access than intermediary items: so placing users > after > > applications, because applications are more used, it will have the > > consequence that, being the last item in the list, it will make Users be > > easily to access than Applications. > > > > > > > > > > Proposition 8, iteration 3 > > > ================== > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/attachment/33247/P8_iter3.png > > > > > > * Same but introduced the "Recent Changes" entry (leads to an Activity > > > Stream maybe) > > > > > > > - Regarding the "Recent Changes" this could be see as application, so it > > could be available in the Application Index (kind of is, but as part of > > Dashboard). > > > > I still believe it make sense to have it here. It would be the a link to > the Activity Steam of the current wiki (since it's on the local items > category). > > > > > > > > > > > > My conclusions > > > === > > > > > > > - The problem is that if I read my comments and I remove the P8's > > subwiki/global separation (since Wiki Index is alone) + remove the > "Create > > and Delete wiki" since we say they will be available in Wiki Index, > remove > > the Home navigation since we rely on breadcrumbs, plus we keep the same > > wording, but maybe change a bit the Index order, we will have P9: > > http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/attachment/33250/P9.png > > > > And it doesn't quite have much of a change in it if we compare it to the > > current version. This might be good or bad. Following Jan-Paul comment > that > > we should not advertise for 'Delete wiki' and that 'Create wiki' is very > > rare, we might say P9 contains just the needed elements: Administration + > > Indexes. > > > > Indeed, it's a bit disappointing... > Yes, it seems disappointing. Now depends what the objective is: having a redesign of the Drawer or simplifying it. > > > > > > Since the only difference between simple users and admins would be the > > "Administration", we could have it last as P9.1 + try a simpler naming: > > http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/attachment/33251/P9.1.png > > > > But now we will need to find a way to Create wikis. > > > > --- > > > > Now regarding Index naming. If we use: > > - Manage: for example "Manage Wikis", it will be harder to make it > > consistent with the other Indexes, since for example User Index does not > > provide the management setting (they are in administration). Also for > > simple users, manage verb doesn't mean anything. > > - All: all is complicated for farm setup, where "All Users" might mean > just > > local users, same for Applications and Pages, since they are just local, > so > > they are not all. > > - Index: it is a bit more ambiguous, but it better satisfy the duality of > > content. > > - //simple: Having just "Pages", "Users", etc. can be also a solution. > > > > --- > > > > Regarding Olivier's comment about "Recent changes" (in P7). I agree that > > the majority of wikis provide it, still we should find a solution to what > > will we present to the user (Olivier suggested a livetable so I guess he > > doesn't know our Activity Stream). Will it redirect to Main.Activity? > Which > > one? The local or the global one? It could be the global one since we > > display the wiki prefixes, but I guess this again depends on the type of > > wiki you are located in. > > > > Regarding P7 I don't like it especially because it's removing Page Index > > (and relies on a panel that can be change depending on the current > Flavor) > > and removes Application Index (with the rationale that AppBar is > complete, > > which it isn't and again the panels can be easily changed). > > > > Thanks, > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > * Better look & feel > > > * More human wording > > > * Only feature we need often > > > > > > Is it going in the right direction? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Guillaume > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > -- > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > Committer on the XWiki.org project > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
