Thanks for your ideas. Any other? 2016-10-31 10:21 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]>:
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Guillaume, > > > > Thanks for starting this thread. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Current Drawer analysis: > > > > Languages ( L / G ) > > --- > > Home ( G ) [N] > > --- > > Administer wiki ( L ) [A] [W] > > --- > > Wiki Index ( G ) [I] [W] > > Page Index ( L ) [I] > > User Index ( L / G ) [I] > > Applications Index ( L) [I] > > --- > > Create wiki ( G ) [A] [W] > > --- > > Delete wiki ( L ) [A] [W] > > > > > > L = Local/Wiki setting/action/effect > > G = Global/Farm setting/action/effect > > > > N = Navigation > > A = Action > > W = Wiki entity > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Some examples of grouping: > > 1. Local / Global effect grouping (ex. Main/Subwiki actions should be > > grouped) > > 2. Entities grouping (Wiki related actions should be grouped: create, > > administer, delete, etc.) > > 3. Index grouping (group all index applications together) > > 4. Navigation grouping (to Main wiki or other wikis) > > 5. Actions grouping > > 6. other? > > > > So the main question is what grouping would we want to prioritize first: > > 1-5? > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Some things to consider: > > A. Naming consistency: > > > > > > A1. Across wiki: we need to consider the terms usage. For example Home > vs. > > Homepage; Wiki vs. Subwiki; Settings vs. Administration; Wiki Index vs. > > Browse all wikis vs. Show all wikis > > -- We need to align these usages and pick the one most relevant for the > end > > user and correct as terminology > > > > +1, Pages/Users/Applications is not consistent with "Show all wikis" in P5. > Using simply "Wikis" would be more consistent. > > > > A2. Across the menu: this implies having all entries plural/singular or > > having the same additional text (ex. do we mark Indexes the same way? > > Administer wiki / Delete this wiki / Create a new wiki, etc.) > > > > B. Explicit (vs. Cryptic) > > -- how explicit should we make the labels vs. icons usage > > > > C. Quick access to local actions > > -- in subwikis we should optimize for local actions and try to display > them > > first, since some teams might have dedicated wikis and the main wiki > could > > be used just as a portal or as a farm > > > > D. Order most used actions first > > -- for example 'Delete wiki' is not a very used action > > > > E. Navigation vs. Actions grouping > > E1. Actions removal > > > > > > -- for example we could even remove 'Delete wiki' action and consider > that > > the wiki management actions can be accessed just from Wiki Index > > > > +1. I would also remove Create Wiki. A single entry to "Manage Wikis" where > you can view, create and delete wikis is better IMO. > > > > -- this would mean that 'Administrate wiki' would be removed too, and we > > use that action a lot in the initial configuration phases, so that would > > increase the time to reach Administration > > > > -1 wiki administration is a very common action for admins. > > Thanks, > Marius > > > > E2. Adding more wiki navigation > > -- For example http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12538 talks about > having > > a way to add quick access to other subwikis (ideally as favorites, since > > listing all wikis does not scale) > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Proposals grouping feedback: > > Current. -1 (Local/Global), -2 (Wiki grouping), +3 (Indexes), partial 4 > > (Navigation), -5 (Actions) || +A2 (Naming consistency), -C (Quick access) > > P1. -1 (Local/Global), partial 2 (Wiki grouping), +3 (indexes), partial 4 > > (Navigation), partial 5 (Actions) || +A2 (Naming consistency), -C (Quick > > access) > > P2. partial 1 (Local/Global), -2 (Wiki grouping), partial 3 (Indexes), -4 > > (Navigation), -5 (Actions) || +A2 (Naming consistency), +C (Quick access) > > P3. partial 1 (Local/Global), -2 (Wiki grouping), +3 (Indexes), -4 > > (Navigation), -5 (Actions) || +A2 (Naming consistency), +C (Quick access) > > P4. -1 (Local/Global), partial 2 (Wiki grouping), +3 (Indexes), -4 > > (Navigation), +5 (Actions) || +A2 (Naming consistency), partial C (Quick > > access) > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The problem is that when you approach an usability problem using these > kind > > of grouping / grading it's very easy to fall in the 'technicalities' trap > > and not think about the user perspective. > > > > So although I understand why I proposed P1-4, for users it will not make > > sense. That's why I like P5, because the grouping comes natural and is > more > > explicit, although is not using the consistent terminology. > > > > P5: +1 (Local/Global), -2 (Wiki grouping), -3 (Indexes), partial 4 > > (Navigation), -5 (Actions) || -A2 (Naming consistency), -A1 (Across > wiki), > > +B (Explicit), +C (Quick access to local), ? D (Most used actions) > > > > Things to fix for P5: > > - Think where to fit the "Languages" > > - A1 + A2: we need to think about the naming of Indexes (especially Wiki > > Index in this case) and fix them in drawer and across; replace Settings > > with Administration; fix the "Go to ..."; consistent actions naming. > > > > Additionally we should fix A1 (see http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/ > XWIKI-9363 > > ) > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Before starting this thread I tried to rethink about a new solution and I > > came up with > > P6: -1 (Local/Global), +2 (Wiki grouping), +3 (Indexes), +4 (Navigation), > > +5 (Actions) || +A2 (Naming consistency), -A1 (Across wiki), -B > > (Cryptic/Iconography), -C (Quick access), ? D (Most used actions), +E2 > > (More navigation) > > > > i) Having Indexes listed before local actions (will give a -C for quick > > access), but the advantage is that the menu composition will change less > if > > we visit main wiki vs. subwikis. P5 also have this propety. > > > > ii) I've grouped and added more navigation by providing the list of > wikis. > > There are several problems with this approach: > > ii.1 - not scalable for large number of wikis (even though I've put an > > accordion there) > > ii.2 - cryptic actions (icon usage for Create, Administration, Delete > wiki) > > ii.3 - mobile issues (because the icons are very small and we will need a > > different layout for mobiles or we might have problems with large wiki > > names) > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Thanks, > > Caty > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Miroslav Galajda < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi, I vote for P5 proposal. > > > > > > Mirec > > > > > > On 26 October 2016 at 10:28, Guillaume Delhumeau < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > No opinion? > > > > > > > > 2016-10-24 18:09 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau < > > > > [email protected]>: > > > > > > > > > Hello dear developers and XWiki users. > > > > > > > > > > I would you to take a look at the issue > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/ > > > > > XWIKI-13070. > > > > > > > > > > The problem is that the current order (that I have implemented > based > > on > > > > my > > > > > intuition) seems to not be clear for our users. The main point is > > that > > > > the > > > > > menu mixes up global items (Home wiki, Wiki Index) and local ones > > > > > (Administer Wiki, Page Index, Delete wiki, etc...). > > > > > > > > > > Caty and Oliver have made some proposals that you could find in the > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > They are called P1, P2, P3, P4 and P5. > > > > > > > > > > I propose you to express your preferences so we can implement it > > based > > > on > > > > > a consensus. > > > > > > > > > > Here are mine: > > > > > > > > > > P1: There is a logical order and separation between item. However, > it > > > > > seems the more used actions (Wiki Index, Page Index) are less > visible > > > > than > > > > > some other (Delete Wiki, Create Wiki...) > > > > > > > > > > P2: The order and the separation are logic. The "delete wiki" > action > > is > > > > > still very visible but all other items are good. > > > > > > > > > > P3: Same than P2. Except that having "Wiki Index" along with "User, > > > Page > > > > > and Application Index" mixes up local and global items. > > > > > > > > > > P4: Why not, but maybe the 3 first actions should be placed after > the > > > > > other ones, since they would be less used. Same remark about the > > mixing > > > > of > > > > > local and global items. > > > > > > > > > > P5: A clear distinction between local and global scope. More used > > items > > > > > are located first. This is my favorite one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So +1 for P5, +0 for the other options so far. > > > > > > > > > > Now, what about you? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > PS: I send this message to both devs and users mailing lists, > > because I > > > > > think users are directly concerned by this topic. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > > > > > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > > > > Committer on the XWiki.org project > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > > > > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > > > Committer on the XWiki.org project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > users mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > users mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
