On 10 October 2014 14:46, Jason Pickering <[email protected]> wrote:
> Not to throw out too many ideas, but before you send out the email, I > thought we should also consider potentially using discourse. It seems like > a good tool, and I managed to get a demo setup here. > > http://dhis2.info > That looks nice. > > An obvious advantage here is that we would have a lot more control over > the entire process, rather than being subject to StackExchange's rather > arcane rules. I think we could rather easily achieve a good Q&A site with > this as well. Downside of course is that this server is being managed by us > at the moment, and one more thing which we would need to take care of, > although something we could likely push off to our friends a BAO Systems. > > > Thoughts? > > Best regards, > Jason > > P.S. On a totally unrelated note, I came across https://mandrillapp.com > which is described in the Discourse setup, and it also seems like a very > good alternative for sending emails, without having to worry about getting > an SMTP server setup. > I have tried mandrillap with dhis2 before (not in production). It works well and is certainly a good replacement for "spamming" through a gmail account. Not that it replaces the utility of running a local MTA - but that too can be configured to hand off to a smarthost. Useful if the machine does not have a fqdn. But we drift off topic ... maybe this is all good content for a mail-related meta-topic in discourse/tutorials or what have you. Bob > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Bob Jolliffe <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Matthieu I am always enthusiastic :-) And of course I will participate >> ... >> >> On 10 October 2014 13:18, Matthieu Pinard (UiO) <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> *Jason*, >>> yeah, I'm reading through the FAQ etc and I'll suggest a phasing to make >>> our best to reach each of the stages. >>> >>> Here is the rough plan: Once the mailing list info@ is informed I will >>> publish on FB. Then I suggest that you or webLars (we need someone with >>> enough legitimacy) will announce that on our mailing lists. Then we need to >>> monitor and encourage ;). >>> >>> *Bob*, >>> I love your enthusiasm :P. I will not try too hard to convince you and >>> hope that you will join the effort ;). Just a couple of things: >>> - yes mailing lists will still be part of the our community support tools >>> - on the bright side, this forum, if we succeed to make it a true and >>> sustainable DHIS2 Expert Q&A site will have a great and positive impact on >>> knowledge sharing among the community member (beautiful). >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Matthieu >>> >>> >>> Matthieu Pinard >>> DHIS 2 Academy & Community Coordinator | University of Oslo >>> >>> On 10 October 2014 13:54, Bob Jolliffe <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I have something of an aversion to forums for all things, but I can see >>>> they might have their place. Many of the questions raised on the users >>>> list (some of which filter into the developers list) as well as the even >>>> more common private mail requests might well lend itself to this sort of >>>> format. Whether we have sufficient traffic to drive some of these social >>>> engineering engines in a meaningful way or not I am not sure, but perhaps >>>> no harm in trying. One of the potential issues with forums is how to get >>>> back off again (with the data) if we decide it wasn't such a good idea at >>>> all. Perhaps this should also be a factor to consider when selecting a >>>> forum platform. >>>> >>>> Having said that, there is still a place for mailing lists for >>>> discussion (rather than Q&A). For example, the sysadmin list suggested by >>>> Steven, and which seems to have attracted some interest, I think would work >>>> better in a list format, at least at formative stage. Over time there will >>>> be nuggets mined from the list which can form the basis of a more dynamic >>>> faq/forum type thing. >>>> >>>> As a minor aside, there is perhaps an interesting gender perspective to >>>> this (and I believe possibly also age). In some research that was done >>>> some years back (to which I have no reference but I remember well!) the >>>> problem of women's participation in free/open source projects was >>>> examined. The level of women's participation was known then (and probably >>>> still is) to be substantially less in FOSS than in the industry at large. >>>> Interestingly, one of the findings was that women apparently had a greater >>>> preference to use web forums than email lists. Moreso than men. So >>>> there's another dimension for mobilars to explore in his discourse analysis >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> On 10 October 2014 12:36, Jason Pickering <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Also, be sure to communicate to everyone that they need to "upvote" >>>>> the questions, after they have been created. Each person gets 5 upvotes it >>>>> seems, perhaps depending on reputation or something similar. >>>>> >>>>> See here for some more metrics on another topic >>>>> >>>>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/55053/data-science >>>>> >>>>> Not so sure we could generate 5 questions per day? >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Jason Pickering < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Matthieu, >>>>>> Sounds good to me. The process to get it setup seems rather involved >>>>>> but given the supposed number of people out there , we should have little >>>>>> problem gathering enough supoort. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Jason >>>>>> On Oct 10, 2014 6:59 AM, "Matthieu Pinard (UiO)" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> after discussing with web Lars and with the enlightenment of Mark we >>>>>>> came up with the following consensus after going back to the initial >>>>>>> needs >>>>>>> to be addressed in this thread: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *How to make it easier for the users, developers and implementers to >>>>>>> look for an answer for a given question?* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For that matter *Stackexchange* seems to be a very good option. >>>>>>> Paraphrasing Ubuntu we can say that Stackexchange should become the >>>>>>> site for DHIS2 users, implementers and developers can collaboratively >>>>>>> edit >>>>>>> question and answer them. >>>>>>> "Instead of posting a mailing list, this site would work by you >>>>>>> repeatedly editing your question with what you've learned about your >>>>>>> problem, and then users can rate the quality of the questions and >>>>>>> answers >>>>>>> by voting" (Source: >>>>>>> http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/finding-help/support/). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Discourse* serves another purpose, which will be very useful for >>>>>>> the DHIS2 Community as well: a place where to discuss about the latest >>>>>>> news >>>>>>> of DHIS2, discuss ideas etc. We will put that in place later on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So in a step-by-step approach, let's start with *Stackexchange* to >>>>>>> serve the most urgent need. Once the community has adopted it we can >>>>>>> continue providing new tools, namely *Discourse*, for our community >>>>>>> to grow and engage (and vice versa). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So let's back Jason's initiative and *start posting* on >>>>>>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/77757/dhis2/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *NEXT STEP:* Diffuse this initiative to the info mailing list >>>>>>> explaining the goals and steps to make this initiative a success. >>>>>>> If you agree, Jason, web Lars and me could be assigned to this task. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Question: Do you agree?* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Matthieu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PS: Interesting link that we will proudly imitate: >>>>>>> http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/finding-help/support/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Matthieu Pinard >>>>>>> DHIS 2 Academy & Community Coordinator | University of Oslo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10 October 2014 12:25, Halvdan Grelland <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Discourse seems to strike a great balance between power and user >>>>>>>> friendliness. +1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2014-10-10 11:20 GMT+02:00 Lars Kristian Roland <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here's another one I like: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.invisionpower.com/features/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (not that I don't like the ones Matthieu mentioned) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lars >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2014-10-10 11:07 GMT+02:00 Matthieu Pinard (UiO) < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm glad to read that people with technical know-how are on this >>>>>>>>>> topic as well :). >>>>>>>>>> Forums being a fundamental building block of our (web) community >>>>>>>>>> choosing the right tool is key: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The right tool for me means a tool that: >>>>>>>>>> - is easy to use for non-techies, as the community grows fast >>>>>>>>>> behind it's early adopters >>>>>>>>>> - encourages interaction though a good UX >>>>>>>>>> - helps the community to highlight what are the current hottest >>>>>>>>>> topics >>>>>>>>>> - enables "easy" moderation >>>>>>>>>> - can be used on different screens >>>>>>>>>> - ...and well... are open source ;) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So far I see two tools: >>>>>>>>>> - the Ubuntu Discourse http://www.discourse.org/ >>>>>>>>>> - as we are using the CMS Drupal for our website, we can simply >>>>>>>>>> activate the forum (limited) or better probably go the the Harmony >>>>>>>>>> Core <https://www.drupal.org/project/harmony_core> that is part >>>>>>>>>> of the Commons distribution >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.drupal.org/project/commons> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So far from a user perspective I favor Discourse >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.discourse.org/>. BTW Ubuntu is using it. I can only >>>>>>>>>> encourage you to give it a try <http://try.discourse.org/> and >>>>>>>>>> tell me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Matthieu >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Matthieu Pinard >>>>>>>>>> DHIS 2 Academy & Community Coordinator | University of Oslo >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 9 October 2014 22:39, Lars Helge Øverland <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know about any other existing forums that could be >>>>>>>>>>> potentially more suitable? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If not I'm all for giving this a try. I think going for a forum >>>>>>>>>>> that is well-known has more legs than starting our own. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Lars >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Lars Kristian Roland >>>>>>>>> Research Fellow, Department of Informatics, University of Oslo >>>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] - [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Phone: +47 90733036 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs-core >>>>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs-core >>>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jason P. 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