Hi Jason, I agree that Stackexchange would be a great tool for us. It has very useful features, and its point system is a good motivator for people to participate.
The important thing now is for more core developers to register, ask questions, and vote for questions. And then, I agree, we need to ask the wider community for help. (We need 60 "followers" and 54 more are still needed -- there are only 52 core developers!) Cheers, Jim On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:25 AM, Jason Pickering < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear All, > I have chatted with a few more people about this, and I think the general > consensus is that we should continue to attempt to get the StackExchange > mechanism rolling. If we are not able to generate the volume which is > required, then we will consider another mechanism such as the Discourse > site (dhis2.info) or a similar type of Q&A/Forum in Drupal on dhis2.org, > Unless there are any objections, I will liaise with Matthieu and we will > come up with a sort of deployment plan. What is pretty clear though we > need, is a lot of content already seeded in the site > > http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/77757/dhis2/ > > So, please start adding your questions. Upvote others questions as well. > We should have little problems coming up with 40 more questions between us, > but it will require a bit of effort from each of us. So, please go ahead > and join if you have not already and post your favorite questions. In the > next few days, we will send out a mail to the community to ask everyone to > join up and help us get things moving to the next step. > > Please feel free to provide any further feedback/concerns. > > Regards, > Jason > ' > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Bob Jolliffe <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> On 10 October 2014 14:46, Jason Pickering <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Not to throw out too many ideas, but before you send out the email, I >>> thought we should also consider potentially using discourse. It seems like >>> a good tool, and I managed to get a demo setup here. >>> >>> http://dhis2.info >>> >> >> That looks nice. >> >>> >>> An obvious advantage here is that we would have a lot more control over >>> the entire process, rather than being subject to StackExchange's rather >>> arcane rules. I think we could rather easily achieve a good Q&A site with >>> this as well. Downside of course is that this server is being managed by us >>> at the moment, and one more thing which we would need to take care of, >>> although something we could likely push off to our friends a BAO Systems. >>> >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Jason >>> >>> P.S. On a totally unrelated note, I came across https://mandrillapp.com >>> which is described in the Discourse setup, and it also seems like a very >>> good alternative for sending emails, without having to worry about getting >>> an SMTP server setup. >>> >> >> I have tried mandrillap with dhis2 before (not in production). It works >> well and is certainly a good replacement for "spamming" through a gmail >> account. Not that it replaces the utility of running a local MTA - but >> that too can be configured to hand off to a smarthost. Useful if the >> machine does not have a fqdn. But we drift off topic ... maybe this is all >> good content for a mail-related meta-topic in discourse/tutorials or what >> have you. >> >> Bob >> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Bob Jolliffe <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Matthieu I am always enthusiastic :-) And of course I will participate >>>> ... >>>> >>>> On 10 October 2014 13:18, Matthieu Pinard (UiO) <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> *Jason*, >>>>> yeah, I'm reading through the FAQ etc and I'll suggest a phasing to >>>>> make our best to reach each of the stages. >>>>> >>>>> Here is the rough plan: Once the mailing list info@ is informed I >>>>> will publish on FB. Then I suggest that you or webLars (we need someone >>>>> with enough legitimacy) will announce that on our mailing lists. Then we >>>>> need to monitor and encourage ;). >>>>> >>>>> *Bob*, >>>>> I love your enthusiasm :P. I will not try too hard to convince you and >>>>> hope that you will join the effort ;). Just a couple of things: >>>>> - yes mailing lists will still be part of the our community support >>>>> tools >>>>> - on the bright side, this forum, if we succeed to make it a true and >>>>> sustainable DHIS2 Expert Q&A site will have a great and positive impact on >>>>> knowledge sharing among the community member (beautiful). >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Matthieu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Matthieu Pinard >>>>> DHIS 2 Academy & Community Coordinator | University of Oslo >>>>> >>>>> On 10 October 2014 13:54, Bob Jolliffe <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have something of an aversion to forums for all things, but I can >>>>>> see they might have their place. Many of the questions raised on the >>>>>> users >>>>>> list (some of which filter into the developers list) as well as the even >>>>>> more common private mail requests might well lend itself to this sort of >>>>>> format. Whether we have sufficient traffic to drive some of these social >>>>>> engineering engines in a meaningful way or not I am not sure, but perhaps >>>>>> no harm in trying. One of the potential issues with forums is how to get >>>>>> back off again (with the data) if we decide it wasn't such a good idea at >>>>>> all. Perhaps this should also be a factor to consider when selecting a >>>>>> forum platform. >>>>>> >>>>>> Having said that, there is still a place for mailing lists for >>>>>> discussion (rather than Q&A). For example, the sysadmin list suggested >>>>>> by >>>>>> Steven, and which seems to have attracted some interest, I think would >>>>>> work >>>>>> better in a list format, at least at formative stage. Over time there >>>>>> will >>>>>> be nuggets mined from the list which can form the basis of a more dynamic >>>>>> faq/forum type thing. >>>>>> >>>>>> As a minor aside, there is perhaps an interesting gender perspective >>>>>> to this (and I believe possibly also age). In some research that was >>>>>> done >>>>>> some years back (to which I have no reference but I remember well!) the >>>>>> problem of women's participation in free/open source projects was >>>>>> examined. The level of women's participation was known then (and >>>>>> probably >>>>>> still is) to be substantially less in FOSS than in the industry at large. >>>>>> Interestingly, one of the findings was that women apparently had a >>>>>> greater >>>>>> preference to use web forums than email lists. Moreso than men. So >>>>>> there's another dimension for mobilars to explore in his discourse >>>>>> analysis >>>>>> :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Bob >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10 October 2014 12:36, Jason Pickering < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, be sure to communicate to everyone that they need to "upvote" >>>>>>> the questions, after they have been created. Each person gets 5 upvotes >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> seems, perhaps depending on reputation or something similar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> See here for some more metrics on another topic >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/55053/data-science >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not so sure we could generate 5 questions per day? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Jason Pickering < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Matthieu, >>>>>>>> Sounds good to me. The process to get it setup seems rather >>>>>>>> involved but given the supposed number of people out there , we should >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> little problem gathering enough supoort. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2014 6:59 AM, "Matthieu Pinard (UiO)" < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> after discussing with web Lars and with the enlightenment of Mark >>>>>>>>> we came up with the following consensus after going back to the >>>>>>>>> initial >>>>>>>>> needs to be addressed in this thread: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *How to make it easier for the users, developers and implementers >>>>>>>>> to look for an answer for a given question?* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For that matter *Stackexchange* seems to be a very good option. >>>>>>>>> Paraphrasing Ubuntu we can say that Stackexchange should become >>>>>>>>> the site for DHIS2 users, implementers and developers can >>>>>>>>> collaboratively >>>>>>>>> edit question and answer them. >>>>>>>>> "Instead of posting a mailing list, this site would work by you >>>>>>>>> repeatedly editing your question with what you’ve learned about your >>>>>>>>> problem, and then users can rate the quality of the questions and >>>>>>>>> answers >>>>>>>>> by voting" (Source: >>>>>>>>> http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/finding-help/support/ >>>>>>>>> ). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Discourse* serves another purpose, which will be very useful for >>>>>>>>> the DHIS2 Community as well: a place where to discuss about the >>>>>>>>> latest news >>>>>>>>> of DHIS2, discuss ideas etc. We will put that in place later on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So in a step-by-step approach, let's start with *Stackexchange* to >>>>>>>>> serve the most urgent need. Once the community has adopted it we can >>>>>>>>> continue providing new tools, namely *Discourse*, for our >>>>>>>>> community to grow and engage (and vice versa). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So let's back Jason's initiative and *start posting* on >>>>>>>>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/77757/dhis2/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *NEXT STEP:* Diffuse this initiative to the info mailing list >>>>>>>>> explaining the goals and steps to make this initiative a success. >>>>>>>>> If you agree, Jason, web Lars and me could be assigned to this >>>>>>>>> task. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Question: Do you agree?* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Matthieu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> PS: Interesting link that we will proudly imitate: >>>>>>>>> http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/finding-help/support/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Matthieu Pinard >>>>>>>>> DHIS 2 Academy & Community Coordinator | University of Oslo >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 10 October 2014 12:25, Halvdan Grelland <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Discourse seems to strike a great balance between power and user >>>>>>>>>> friendliness. +1 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2014-10-10 11:20 GMT+02:00 Lars Kristian Roland <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here's another one I like: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.invisionpower.com/features/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> (not that I don't like the ones Matthieu mentioned) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Lars >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2014-10-10 11:07 GMT+02:00 Matthieu Pinard (UiO) < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm glad to read that people with technical know-how are on >>>>>>>>>>>> this topic as well :). >>>>>>>>>>>> Forums being a fundamental building block of our (web) >>>>>>>>>>>> community choosing the right tool is key: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The right tool for me means a tool that: >>>>>>>>>>>> - is easy to use for non-techies, as the community grows fast >>>>>>>>>>>> behind it's early adopters >>>>>>>>>>>> - encourages interaction though a good UX >>>>>>>>>>>> - helps the community to highlight what are the current hottest >>>>>>>>>>>> topics >>>>>>>>>>>> - enables "easy" moderation >>>>>>>>>>>> - can be used on different screens >>>>>>>>>>>> - ...and well... are open source ;) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So far I see two tools: >>>>>>>>>>>> - the Ubuntu Discourse http://www.discourse.org/ >>>>>>>>>>>> - as we are using the CMS Drupal for our website, we can simply >>>>>>>>>>>> activate the forum (limited) or better probably go the the Harmony >>>>>>>>>>>> Core <https://www.drupal.org/project/harmony_core> that is >>>>>>>>>>>> part of the Commons distribution >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.drupal.org/project/commons> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So far from a user perspective I favor Discourse >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.discourse.org/>. BTW Ubuntu is using it. I can >>>>>>>>>>>> only encourage you to give it a try <http://try.discourse.org/> >>>>>>>>>>>> and tell me. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>> Matthieu >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Matthieu Pinard >>>>>>>>>>>> DHIS 2 Academy & Community Coordinator | University of Oslo >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 October 2014 22:39, Lars Helge Øverland < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know about any other existing forums that could be >>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially more suitable? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If not I'm all for giving this a try. I think going for a >>>>>>>>>>>>> forum that is well-known has more legs than starting our own. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Lars Kristian Roland >>>>>>>>>>> Research Fellow, Department of Informatics, University of Oslo >>>>>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] - [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Phone: +47 90733036 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs-core >>>>>>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs-core >>>>>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Jason P. 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