On 3 March 2010 09:58, Knut Staring <knu...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Jason Pickering > <jason.p.picker...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Yeah, it is certainly possible, but this is not how the DHIS2 live app >> is launched. It is not launched with a bat script. >> >> So, if we want users to have a "double clickable" icon to start the >> application and not a batch file, then it would need to occur from >> within the DHIS2 Live EXE itself. That is how I see it, but maybe Bob >> has other comments. >> >> The downside of this is that users may need the Postgres service >> running anyway, for instance if they need to use the PivotTables >> without having DHIS2 running. >> > > Well, could be a resource issue, of course - you'd rather not have Jetty eat > resources when not needed. On the other hand, the Postgres service would > always be running (assuming you set it to automatic). I don't think it would > be to onerous to ask a user to start DHIS2 before refreshing the Pivot > table, but the resource issue could be real. >
One can easily enough implement stop the database, start the database, stop the webserver, start the webserver as menu options from the tray. But I can imagine this could be very confusing for users. >> >> I think a service is the best way to go at this point for the Desktop >> install. It is not that much more complex to add a custom user and a >> custom service. Comments welcome however. By far the best way to go longer term with the desktop install would be to get first class citizenship for the h2 database. Which I suspect largely means making the dxf dumps more complete. > > I say go with what is easiest for you. But I in general like the use of the > tray application, especially if we can get developers from OpenMRS working > on it. We could perhaps also use it for the Public Health Information > Toolkit (PHIT) > http://www.openhealthconsortium.org/wiki/doku.php?id=phit > The needs of many tools are very similar - even PHP apps like iHRIS perhaps, > if ran on Quercus http://quercus.caucho.com/ as Saptarshi has suggested. So > the Launcher/installer/updater could be factored out as a separate project, > perhaps (though I know you just merged the installer it with trunk....) > Knut >> >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Knut Staring <knu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I'm pretty sure it is - and I think I did it (though I certainly also >> > used >> > it as service). Looking through my bat scripts (attached) I see this >> > line: >> > @@DHIS2DIR@@\pgsql\bin\pg_ctl start -D @@DHIS2DIR@@\pgsql\data >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Jason Pickering >> > <jason.p.picker...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Not installing postgres as a Windows service would remove a >> >> significant amount of the complexity of the installation. If it could >> >> be done, it would really be great. So, prior to launching jetty, >> >> Postgres would need to be fired up manually. It is certainly worth >> >> considering if this is possible. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Bob Jolliffe <bobjolli...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > If we are committed to using the dhis2-live model for the desktop >> >> > installs - with the tray icon+jetty+hibernate-points-to-whatever - >> >> > then it makes sense to expand on our current lonely "exit" option to >> >> > include others such as upgrading the war, updating the database and >> >> > what have you. This is also a direction it seems the openmrs guys >> >> > are >> >> > considering taking with our approach. We can then build in as much >> >> > or >> >> > as little flexibility is desired. There are many rich maintenance >> >> > use >> >> > cases which we can deal with here rather than with an uber-smart >> >> > installer. The important thing with the trayicon app is that it has >> >> > full control over the webserver - so it could pause it, run psql or >> >> > mysql scripts - unpause etc. Also manage hibernate connections >> >> > through a nicer gui dialog than hand editing hibernate.properties. >> >> > There's a list of maintenance tasks which we should consider. Given >> >> > that it is easy for the app to read the hibernate.properties (and >> >> > manage the webserver) it could also be possible to intelligently >> >> > select between running pgdumps vs mysqldumps and restores and the >> >> > like. My two cents. Anyone interested in doing a little bit of >> >> > swing? >> >> > >> >> > Cheers >> >> > Bob >> >> > >> >> > On 3 March 2010 08:27, Knut Staring <knu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> A couple of comments: >> >> >> While it maybe somewhat instructive to have a look at the Netbeans >> >> >> installer, it was not targeted at Postgres and I doubt much of it >> >> >> would >> >> >> be >> >> >> transferable to BitRock. >> >> >> Also, I really think we shouldn't waste our time trying to detect >> >> >> all >> >> >> sorts >> >> >> of things. Rather, there are two options: >> >> >> 1) Create a nonstandard username for Postgres (i.e. not "postgres") >> >> >> and >> >> >> run >> >> >> it on a nonstandard port (i.e. not 5432). This should avoid 99% of >> >> >> conflicts >> >> >> 2) State very clearly in the docs and on dhis2.org that the FULL >> >> >> installer >> >> >> is for people who don't already have a database engine installed. If >> >> >> you >> >> >> already have Postgres, it would be much better to go with the >> >> >> minimal >> >> >> installer, which is just DHIS2 Live and a few links in the menu. >> >> >> THEN >> >> >> we add >> >> >> clear instructions as to how to modify hibernate.properties, and all >> >> >> is >> >> >> well. >> >> >> Similar clear instructions for server installation, where the full >> >> >> installer >> >> >> would not be used would do the trick. I see very little value in >> >> >> putting >> >> >> more work into the installer at this point (beyond making Postgres >> >> >> an >> >> >> option). >> >> >> I agree with Lars that we should strongly promote Postgres over >> >> >> Mysql >> >> >> (even >> >> >> more so after Oracle's takeover). However, I think we should promote >> >> >> the use >> >> >> of H2 unless it is a server-type installation. >> >> >> Knut >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Jason Pickering >> >> >> <jason.p.picker...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Hi Saptarshi, >> >> >>> >> >> >>> It will certainly be a lot of effort, but nothing compared to the >> >> >>> number of man hours devoted to DHIS2. If we cannot get this >> >> >>> product >> >> >>> installed on more peoples machine's, all of that development effort >> >> >>> is >> >> >>> just wasted. So, it is absolutely critical we get a good installer >> >> >>> together, regardless of the effort that is required. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Could you release what you did in NetBeans, and let others, like >> >> >>> myself that are in need of a proper installer, learn from what has >> >> >>> been done previously. Knut has provided valuable information to me >> >> >>> with a previous BitRock installer that he was working on. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I think there are ways to do this, but we will need to try and be a >> >> >>> bit more clever. :) >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Let me know what you think. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Regards, >> >> >>> Jason >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Saptarshi Purkayastha >> >> >>> <sun...@gmail.com> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >>> > This is what the Netbeans-based installer is doing... Infact it >> >> >>> > is >> >> >>> > able >> >> >>> > to >> >> >>> > do that for Linux, Windows, Mac and Solaris from the beginning. >> >> >>> > It >> >> >>> > was >> >> >>> > able >> >> >>> > to detect mysql and jre's installations on the system, tomcat was >> >> >>> > not >> >> >>> > detectable, which could have been detected from the registry or >> >> >>> > services >> >> >>> > like MySQL... but it was too much effort and I lost interest in >> >> >>> > developing >> >> >>> > that further... >> >> >>> > Anyways, what happens when postgres/mysql/tomcat is already >> >> >>> > installed >> >> >>> > and >> >> >>> > running?? The bitrock installer screwed a few things and I know >> >> >>> > ppl >> >> >>> > just >> >> >>> > uninstall it and all the data entered just goes... Possibly most >> >> >>> > important >> >> >>> > for an installer is to understand what's installed and not >> >> >>> > overwrite >> >> >>> > anything, which is why msi is so good for Windows. >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > --- >> >> >>> > Regards, >> >> >>> > Saptarshi PURKAYASTHA >> >> >>> > Director R & D, HISP India >> >> >>> > Health Information Systems Programme >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > My Tech Blog: http://sunnytalkstech.blogspot.com >> >> >>> > You Live by CHOICE, Not by CHANCE >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > 2010/3/2 Jason Pickering <jason.p.picker...@gmail.com> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> OK. A quick update. >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> I managed to get DHIS+Postgres installed on a "clean" system, >> >> >>> >> meaning >> >> >>> >> one without a Postgres user or previous install Postgres >> >> >>> >> instance. >> >> >>> >> This is good, as this may be 90% of the cases we will encounter >> >> >>> >> for >> >> >>> >> a >> >> >>> >> first time install, but it is only part of the problem. >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> On a system with the postgres user already there, I do not know >> >> >>> >> how >> >> >>> >> to >> >> >>> >> get the password in order to start the windows service, where >> >> >>> >> the >> >> >>> >> password needs to be set when the service is installed. >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> This is not a big deal if you can start the postgres DB from >> >> >>> >> the >> >> >>> >> command line, but will users know to do this and-or can DHIS >> >> >>> >> start >> >> >>> >> it >> >> >>> >> if it is not started. So, it will install a new instance of >> >> >>> >> postgres, >> >> >>> >> but, the service cannot be started, as the password is not >> >> >>> >> correct. >> >> >>> >> Hmm..maybe there are some bright ideas out there. Perhaps we can >> >> >>> >> set >> >> >>> >> it to the system account? >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> So basically, I can release tomorrow for testing an installer >> >> >>> >> that >> >> >>> >> will install on system without a postgres user. I tried to >> >> >>> >> install >> >> >>> >> Postgres as a different user by creating a different user >> >> >>> >> account, >> >> >>> >> but >> >> >>> >> the installer did not manage to create it. Will need some more >> >> >>> >> work >> >> >>> >> here. >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> Let me know what you think. >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> Regards, >> >> >>> >> Jason >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs >> >> >>> >> Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net >> >> >>> >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs >> >> >>> >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -- >> >> >>> -- >> >> >>> Jason P. Pickering >> >> >>> email: jason.p.picker...@gmail.com >> >> >>> tel:+260968395190 >> >> >>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs >> >> >>> Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net >> >> >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs >> >> >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Knut Staring >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs >> >> >> Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net >> >> >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs >> >> >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> Jason P. Pickering >> >> email: jason.p.picker...@gmail.com >> >> tel:+260968395190 >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Cheers, >> > Knut Staring >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Jason P. 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