Carl
this is a good start .... we will obviously only need a fraction of these
indicators, but the ones we use should conform to the standards and formats
outlined here

Cheers
A

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On 14 October 2016 at 21:28, Carl Leitner <litlf...@ibiblio.org> wrote:

> This may be of interest as you consider HRH indicators:
> http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/HRH_Indicator_Compendium.pdf
> Cheers,
> -carl
>
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:38 AM, Raphael Pundo <rpu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Arthur,
>
> Below are some of responses:
>
>
>    - do you have a set of indicators using HR data within the DHIS2 ?
>
> Yes we a set of HR Indicators in the DHIS that are being tracked.
> Similarly, there are HR/Service delivery indicators
>
>    - are you able to do bottleneck analysis for UNICEF?
>
> So far, there had NOT been any request from UNICEF on bottleneck analysis
>
>    - If yes, where do you source the commodity data ?
>
> Regards,
> Raphael
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Raphael
>> This is a good best practice that you are using a shared facility list
>> and then have the two softwares talking to each other ......
>> My next question is about what you (and other countries) are DOING with
>> the combined HR and DHIS data once you have got the technology talking?...
>>
>>    - do you have a set of indicators using HR data within the DHIS2 ?
>>    - are you able to do bottleneck analysis for UNICEF?
>>    - If yes, where do you source the commodity data ?
>>
>> Anyone with some implementation cases using HR data ??
>>
>>    - workload... SA
>>    - ???
>>
>> Regards
>> Arthur
>> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Raphael Pundo <rpu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>> In case on is interested, Kenya has integrated the iHRIS (Aggregate
>>> Data) with DHIS2 using  the Master Facility List Code as the Primary Key. I
>>> can provide more info
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Raphael
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Prosper
>>>> good to know .....
>>>> BUT
>>>> On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of
>>>> data ..... UNICEF is  proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data ...
>>>> yet there is no  automatically  genersted quality / usable HR data in one
>>>> place ......
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated
>>>> data directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis ..... I hope
>>>> this January workshop will provide this opportunity
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> A
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT <ptb3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Arthur,
>>>>>
>>>>> For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda
>>>>> with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to
>>>>> integrate iHRS data yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2016-10-08 at 9.13.42 AM.png>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood <
>>>>> arthurheyw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Carl
>>>>>> We do not need detailed data .... what was described as "core HRHIS"
>>>>>> is more than good enough .... aggregate data with no details so that we 
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> do workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using 
>>>>>> imported
>>>>>> data
>>>>>> I would really like to see this in practice somewhere .... any ideas
>>>>>> where this integration is actually working already?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Arthur
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *****Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress***
>>>>>> *(Frank Zappa)*
>>>>>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>>>>>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner <litlf...@ibiblio.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Arthur,
>>>>>>> Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen
>>>>>>> on doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such 
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health 
>>>>>>> worker
>>>>>>> information that it would be good to model your data elements after.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need
>>>>>>> information on the HWs themselves?
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -carl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedb...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arthur,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current
>>>>>>> focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find 
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> and get back to you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Calle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Calle
>>>>>>>> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core"
>>>>>>>> Human Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our
>>>>>>>> MDGi districts ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt
>>>>>>>> it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  
>>>>>>>> etc)
>>>>>>>>  and then feed back into the development process ....interesting to 
>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> how far you have progressed?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *****Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress***
>>>>>>>> *(Frank Zappa)*
>>>>>>>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>>>>>>>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedb...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Laura,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS
>>>>>>>>> in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> tell you more about that one).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for
>>>>>>>>> managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates 
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly
>>>>>>>>> integrated with DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual 
>>>>>>>>> HR
>>>>>>>>> resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to 
>>>>>>>>> do, and
>>>>>>>>> contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, 
>>>>>>>>> payroll, etc
>>>>>>>>> are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight
>>>>>>>>> integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and 
>>>>>>>>> messages +
>>>>>>>>> user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in
>>>>>>>>> particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting 
>>>>>>>>> directly
>>>>>>>>> with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data,
>>>>>>>>> disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to
>>>>>>>>> track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment 
>>>>>>>>> history
>>>>>>>>> and a bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they 
>>>>>>>>> are,
>>>>>>>>> where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they 
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing 
>>>>>>>>> etc, but
>>>>>>>>> it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain 
>>>>>>>>> diseases
>>>>>>>>> etc), and how to contact them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Calle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas <gerald17...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am
>>>>>>>>>> willing to help.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" <
>>>>>>>>>> laura.lin...@icap.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate
>>>>>>>>>>> with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the 
>>>>>>>>>>> HRIS,
>>>>>>>>>>> but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of 
>>>>>>>>>>> personnel
>>>>>>>>>>> will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS
>>>>>>>>>>> aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
>>>>>>>>>>> HRHIS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HRHIS>in
>>>>>>>>>>> Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
>>>>>>>>>>> iHRIS <http://www.ihris.org/> developed by global Capacity
>>>>>>>>>>> Project.‚Äč
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience
>>>>>>>>>>> with these packages or if there were other applications that could 
>>>>>>>>>>> be of
>>>>>>>>>>> use to us?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Laura E. Lincks*
>>>>>>>>>>> Database Manager/Developer
>>>>>>>>>>> ICAP - Columbia University
>>>>>>>>>>> Mailman School of Public Health
>>>>>>>>>>> 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
>>>>>>>>>>> New York, NY 10032
>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 212 304 7132
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *******************************************
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> *******************************************
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Calle Hedberg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cell: +27-82-853-5352
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> pros...@hispuganda.org | pros...@dhis2.org | Skype: prospertb
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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