On Tuesday, December 06, 2016 13:36:20 Ilya Yaroshenko via Digitalmars-d- learn wrote: > On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 at 13:02:16 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu > > wrote: > > On 12/6/16 3:28 AM, Ilya Yaroshenko wrote: > >> On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 at 08:14:17 UTC, Andrea Fontana > >> > >> wrote: > >>> On Monday, 5 December 2016 at 20:25:00 UTC, Ilya Yaroshenko > >>> Phobos/Druntime are pretty good for a lot of projects. > >> > >> In theory > > > > And what seem to be the issues in practice with code that is > > not highly specialized? -- Andrei > > If code is not highly specialized there is no reason to spent > resources to use C/C++/D. A company will be happy with Python, > Java, C#, Go and Swift. If one need to have C/C++ programming > level he can not use D because DRuntime. Only a subset of D can > be used. And current problem that we have not BetterC paradigm in > D specification. So, only crazy companies will consider D for > large projects. Current D is successful in small console text > routines. > > If a system PL can not be used as C for highly specialized code, > it is not a real system PL. > > DRuntime and Phobos is going to compete with Java and Go. It is > suicide for D, IMHO. In other hand, BetterC is a direction where > D can be populated among professionals and replace C/C++.
While I am quite sure that there are use cases where folks would be unhappy with druntime and Phobos and want to avoid them, there are definitely companies using D with druntime and Phobos right now, and personally, I've never worked at a company where anything about druntime or Phobos would have been a showstopper in switching to D. The showstopper would be in convincing them to use a new language rather than one that they were already familiar with. C++ works for them, and they're not interested in switching. And honestly, pushing for a subset of D that didn't have the functionality in druntime and Phobos would just make it an even harder sell. At that point, they're _really_ not interested in using D. C++11/14/17 quickly and easily wins out in that fight. So, while there are certainly folks who would prefer using D as a better C without druntime or Phobos, I think that you're seriously overestimating how many folks would be interested in that. Certainly, all of the C++ programmers that I've worked with professionally would have _zero_ interest in D as a better C. - Jonathan M Davis
