On 9/14/11 3:52 PM, Jeff Nowakowski wrote:
On 09/14/2011 04:27 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Words like "demonstrated" or "clarified" are a bit exaggerated within
this discussion, as is "flawed" when describing what Tiobe does.
Only if you are delusional
(guess that's strike three)
and can't recognize the fundamental problem
with search results getting worse and worse the farther out you go (who
hasn't experience this with their everyday searches?), and then only
looking at the first 100 results to get a simple percentage for the
whole distribution. On top of this, D matches all kinds of stuff,
whereas a name like Scala does not.
I also gave some simple and hard stats that agreed with each other about
just how lopsided the results for Scala were for D, yet D is at Tiobe
#20, and Scala is at #50.
Not to mention the implication that I lack integrity, which is quite
a bit out of character even by the standard set by the corrosiveness
of your past posts. Is defending your view of Tiobe worth all this?
The way you keep on defending Tiobe isn't helping.
This is not about defending Tiobe. All in all, for a given language
ascending on Tiobe is a good sign. This has nothing to do with the
relative rank of languages.
There have also been
other instances in the past where I've found less than savory
statements, and I've already mentioned these before.
The statistics I quoted were varied, simple, and easy to verify.
They're not ground truth; for example, it's known there is a lot of
noise in Google's estimate number of pages.
And the Amazon sales rank? And the number of books available? And the
number of questions on Stack Overflow? Should I start looking for number
of jobs next? I'm willing to be you lose there, too.
One issue here is that the relative rank of Scala and D on Tiobe has
become a straw man. Let's not forget how it started: I posted Tiobe's
September newsletter to reddit and you considered it lame marketing.
Well I disagree.
It seems this discussion has well outlived its usefulness, as
unfortunately have ours in the past.
Andrei
