Danny,

Not just for text messages....think multimedia:  pics, still and motion.  
Sound - high quality. etc.
Kids don't understand a phone that doesn't take pics, and soon has an MP3 
player built-in too (HI).

73, John - K8OCL



----Original Message Follows----
From: "Danny Douglas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: USA: No Advanced Digital HF Data Comms
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 21:37:59 -0500

I still dont understand why everyone seems to think we need multi gigibit 
bandwidth to allow people to talk to each other.   I would almost bet there 
are less than a handfull of folk on here that type over 70 words per minute. 
  Why do we need anything faster than that, to interested kids?  Most on 
here, cannot type faster than most digital circuits already run, and even if 
you can - can you think of enough, fast enough, to fill up a transmission 
any faster than 70 or 80 wpm?  Kids in chat rooms seem to do just fine with 
even slow internet connectivity.  We already have voice point to point, rtty 
point to point etc.  What more do we really need?  I havent talked to the 
international space station, mainly because I havent spent the time to find 
out where and when, on passes near me.

Yes, kids are spoiled.  They can go to the computer and talk to almost any 
country in the world, with a touch or two of a key.  THAT is NOT magic to 
them - its expected.  The magic is showing them how to do it without wires.

Danny Douglas N7DC
ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA
SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all
DX 2-6 years each
.
QSL LOTW-buro- direct
As courtesty I upload to eQSL but if you
     use that - also pls upload to LOTW
     or hard card.

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   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Michael Hatzakis Jr MD
   To: [email protected]
   Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 12:40 PM
   Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: USA: No Advanced Digital HF Data Comms


   Hmmm, interesting.  on the question of "What would have to change to make 
what we do (Amateur Radio - digital)

   interesting and relevant to the typical Jr High School computer 
hobbiest?"



     1.. HF bandwidth limitations make digital HF too slow for the average 
Jr Hi limited attention span


     2.. And. if they can't talk to all their friends


     3.. .and it's not cool (or whatever the current expression of being 
widely socially acceptable), ie., "ohhh dad, that is so strange sitting 
behind that radio with those strange sounds all by yourself"


     4.. . and it has a perception of something you have to do by yourself


     5.. .and it isn't X-Box


   High school and Junior HS kids interested in HF will be very few.



   I think ARISS had it right on.  Bring to mainstream.  Bring it to school. 
  Make it cool.  Get all kids & teachers talking about it.  That is my 
belief how we get kids interested in HF/VHF digital and other forms of 
communication.  I wonder if anyone tested the number of hams that came out 
of schools that had an ARISS visit.



   My $0.02.



   Michael  K3MH



   FYI:  http://www.arrl.org/ARISS/






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   From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Bill Vodall WA7NWP
   Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 9:11 AM
   To: [email protected]
   Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: USA: No Advanced Digital HF Data Comms



   > I will also ask the question again:
   >
   > If we had the ability to send high speed digital data on HF, what would
   > we be sending to each other that we don't do now?

   Anything. Everything. There's no 'technical' reason we don't do
   everything on HF. Discussion groups like this, pictures, favorite
   songs, audio/video snapshots.

   WL2K is right in one sense that it's good to offload as much as
   possible to the Internet as soon as possible. On the other hand, the
   "Land Line Lid" folks were right that putting traffic to the Internet
   stifles innovation and technology.

   My stock question again:

   What would have to change to make what we do (Amateur Radio - digital)
   interesting and relevant to the typical Jr High School computer
   hobbiest? We can talk forever about A1C's and X0Z's but in 10 or 20
   years it's going to be that Jr Hi generation that's doing what ever
   is being done.

   73
   Bill - WA7NWP




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