As is often the case in engineering, Jose, perfect is the enemy of 
good. What Rick KN6KB discovered while developing SCAMP's busy 
detector was that he could detect CW, PSK, Pactor, and SSB at an ~80% 
confidence level without enormous difficulty. SCAMP beta testers were 
amazed by the effectiveness of this first iteration.

Pushing the confidence level from 80% to 100%, however, would take 
years -- if its even possible. But a busy detector that works 80% of 
the time would cut QRM from unattended automated stations (like 
WinLink PMBOs) by a factor of 5! 

Your comment that "many think it is simpler than it really is to do 
it WELL" is frankly moot; Rick demonstrated two years ago that useful 
busy frequency detection was implementable on a PC and soundcard.

    73,

       Dave, AA6YQ

--- In [email protected], "Jose A. Amador" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Then, we need a codesmith that does away with those inaccurate 
assertions.
> 
> The bona fide attempts of Rick with SCAMP has opened a can of 
worms...
> I don't even think he foresaw this, as many think it is simpler 
than it 
> really is to do it WELL. It is no kids play.
> 
> Let's wait for the magic code.
> 
> Jose, CO2JA
> 
> Dave Bernstein wrote:
> >>>> AA6YQ comments below
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], "Jose A. Amador" <amador@> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Seems I did not make my point. A large portion of Winlinks popping
> > "out of nowhere" is because some  H I D D E N   (in the skip zone)
> > user has  triggered it.
> > 
> >>>> That's exactly right, Jose. But if WinLink properly included a
> >>>> 
> > busy frequency detector, then it would refrain from responding to 
> > that H I D D E N user -- as would a human operator under the same 
> > circumstances. But since WinLink doesn't include a busy frequecy 
> > detector, and since WinLink doesn't respond to an operator sending
> > "QRL, please QSY", it blasts away, QRMing the pre-existing QSO.
> > 
> > Andy, wasn't there another list to discuss this "I hate Winlink" 
> > stuff?
> > 
> >>>> There is indeed another list for discussing policy. Addressing
> >>>> 
> > inaccurate technical assertions seems in-scope for this list.
> > 
> > 73,
> > 
> > Dave, AA6YQ
> 
> __________________________________________
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