Jeff Brubaker wrote:

>>This is silly.  XFree86 (example X implementation) is going
>>configuration-file-free and the new fontconfig library for client-side
fonts
>>will have GUIs from KDE/GNOME to make font configuration a piece of cake.
>>Hell, the config file is just an XML file in your home directory.  X is
old,
>>but adapts surprisingly well.

As much as I'd love to agree with you here, the simple fact is that existing
version of XFree are NOT easy to configure and not particulary good for the
current desktop competition/technology (XP,Aqua etc.).  I think its
wonderful that the folks developing XFree are looking at the configuration
issues and font issues, but I've always said, "you can put lipstick on a
pig, but at the end of the day, its still a pig...".  Thats not to say X is
a pig, its just to say that the product/technology is way past the point of
"enhancing" and at the point of being what it is.  I've never felt
comfortable running a desktop layer ontop of X, i've always felt that its a
"patch" for something that

>>DirectFB is interesting because it provides a new method of
>>providing hardware acceleration to windowed applications.
>>XFree86 has considered a similar
>>layered approach in the past but it never reached fruition (probably
because
>>there are relatively few people interested/capable of implementing it).

I disagree.  I think the problem is that most linux developers see this as a
lower priority since there is *already* a desktop implementation which "does
the job". I think developers are looking towards doing things that haven't
been done before, there seems to be a lot more focus on server side stuff
lately, I wonder if what we're talking about is related to that (lack of
interest in the desktop?!)

Plus, as we know this would be very hard to do... it would require some
dedication and experience beyond hacking a couple lines of DFB code.

>>DirectFB provides acceleration for things X just can't do yet.  Further,
it
>>appears (from an outsider's perspective) to be more accessable to spare
time
>>developers.

No arguments there.  I see it as a layer for embedded and standalone type
applications first.  Howevever, it doesn't preclude it from being the
underpinnings of a desktop.  I think nobody here would argue that.


>>Don't dog X for being "fat" because it's not.  DirectFB provides pixmap
>>scaling, compositing/blending, and inter-window alpha blending
>>acceleration in an exposure-free environment.  That rocks.  Could X do it?
>>Yes, but not at the moment.

I'm actually not dogging on X.  I've used X windows since 1987 when I was a
software engineer at a minicomputer company called Prime Computer.  I loved
it then, and I love it now.  But I also know that it was NEVER intended to
be used for what people are using it for now.  Lets face it, X is getting
long in the tooth for the modern desktop... thats all i'm saying.


Jeff


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