Well, that's what we've been talking about in the thread on setting up a beta instance on labs.
On 26 January 2016 at 17:54, Kevin Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > At some point, we might want to try to figure out how to implement some > kind of "public alpha testing" platform, where interested users could > preview upcoming features, and provide feedback before they go to a wider > audience. It would need to be lighter weight, and earlier in the process, > than the existing "beta features" system. > > I'm not sure what that would look like, and we would have to figure out a > cost-effective way to do it, but it seems potentially valuable. > > > Kevin Smith > Agile Coach, Wikimedia Foundation > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Luigi Assom <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Oliver, Deborah, >> >> I see your point, thank you. >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:31 PM, Deborah Tankersley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Luigi, >>> >>> The A/B tests that we run are to specifically get a sampling of our >>> audience that uses the portal page <http://www.wikipedia.org> and then >>> log what their actions are on that page, in relation to what we happen to >>> be testing. We don't want folks going to the test on purpose and skewing >>> the random sampling. >>> >>> Hope that helps...! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Deb >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Deb Tankersley >>> Product Manager, Discovery >>> Wikimedia Foundation >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Gotcha! Well, that test is over, I'm afraid :). I know we do have >>>> methods for sort of forcing a session into a test population (for browsing >>>> purposes) but I'm not sure how I feel about the idea of making that >>>> available for _non_testing purposes. It kind of defeats the point of an A/B >>>> test if the population is self-selected and features people aware of the >>>> context of the test. >>>> >>>> On 26 January 2016 at 12:34, Luigi Assom <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>> @ Oliver, >>>>> about A/B test I refer to the email of 13 Jan 2016 >>>>> by Deborah Tankersley >>>>> [discovery] New A/B testing on Wikipedia Portal page >>>>> however, yes I would like tobe included in A/B tests in general, not a >>>>> particular one. >>>>> I m mostrly interested in full text search, knowledge discovery and >>>>> discovery of topics' context. >>>>> >>>>> @Luca Nemo >>>>> >>>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query#Generators >>>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Search >>>>> >>>>> Not much clear to me yet, sorry. >>>>> >>>>> I will rephrase my question: >>>>> I would like to do a full-text search (FTS) query, have the pageids >>>>> and decorators. >>>>> >>>>> I also would like to have results hit (I see them in API:Search, >>>>> list=search); I would like to access the page_Ids of articles (see them in >>>>> generators). >>>>> >>>>> I would like to understand if the backend between two is different, >>>>> since I've read list=search use an ElasticSearch instance, and it seems to >>>>> me it is faster and better FTS (not tried extensively, through). >>>>> Also, list=search offers a snippet and may be less expensive for wiki >>>>> server instead of quering an exerpt - is it the case? >>>>> >>>>> I pass: >>>>> params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : 0, >>>>> 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' : 'pageimages|extracts', >>>>> 'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', 'exsentences' : 3, >>>>> 'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' } >>>>> >>>>> would like to do the same with list=search. >>>>> >>>>> Could you please show an example of FTS with list=search ? >>>>> >>>>> Not clear to me how coudl I pass a list to a generator, if it is the >>>>> case. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Which A/B test are you referring to? We have tried quite a few :). Or >>>>>> do you just generally want to be included in the A/B tests? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 26 January 2016 at 03:44, Luigi Assom <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > Hello, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I have few question for discovery portal and API: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > - possible to be included in the 0.05% who tried the A/B test? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > - do you have or plan to have a feature for discovery *between* >>>>>> topics? E.g. >>>>>> > suggestions connecting two topics. >>>>>> > I ve been working on this. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > - Which is the difference in API:Search between: >>>>>> > list=search and generator=search ? >>>>>> > The first seems to be faster to me. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > - I need to fetch the pageIDs of the results, and have them already >>>>>> > redirected and decorated with images and snipped/excerpt. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > With generator=search I could do it, I can't with list=search >>>>>> > Could you help in grasping query parameters? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > #generator=search >>>>>> > params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : >>>>>> 0, >>>>>> > 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' : >>>>>> 'pageimages|extracts', >>>>>> > 'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', >>>>>> 'exsentences' : 3, >>>>>> > 'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' } >>>>>> > >>>>>> > #list=search >>>>>> > params = {'action':'query', 'list':'search', 'srsearch' : keywords, >>>>>> > 'srlimit' : 20 , 'srprop' : 'size', 'indexpageids' : 1 } ?? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I m trying with sand box with no success, only search results are >>>>>> hit, no >>>>>> > matter of >>>>>> > >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&list=search&format=json&srsearch=Albert%20Einstein&srnamespace=0&srinfo=totalhits%7Csuggestion%7Crewrittenquery&srprop=redirecttitle%7Credirectsnippet&indexpageids=&generator=images >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > - I also found 0&formatversion=2' is another param used in >>>>>> search=list >>>>>> > Has it a special meaning? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > discovery mailing list >>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Oliver Keyes >>>>>> Count Logula >>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> discovery mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> discovery mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Oliver Keyes >>>> Count Logula >>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> discovery mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> discovery mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> discovery mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > discovery mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery > > -- Oliver Keyes Count Logula Wikimedia Foundation
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