Yup we'd like to use an instance somewhere that we can do some fun and interesting things to the Portal page that wouldn't affect all of our users - only those users that want to go to that page. We've got a few things to figure on for this approach...more to come on this subject!
Cheers, Deb -- Deb Tankersley Product Manager, Discovery Wikimedia Foundation On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:04 AM, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, that's what we've been talking about in the thread on setting up a > beta instance on labs. > > On 26 January 2016 at 17:54, Kevin Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > >> At some point, we might want to try to figure out how to implement some >> kind of "public alpha testing" platform, where interested users could >> preview upcoming features, and provide feedback before they go to a wider >> audience. It would need to be lighter weight, and earlier in the process, >> than the existing "beta features" system. >> >> I'm not sure what that would look like, and we would have to figure out a >> cost-effective way to do it, but it seems potentially valuable. >> >> >> Kevin Smith >> Agile Coach, Wikimedia Foundation >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Luigi Assom <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Oliver, Deborah, >>> >>> I see your point, thank you. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:31 PM, Deborah Tankersley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Luigi, >>>> >>>> The A/B tests that we run are to specifically get a sampling of our >>>> audience that uses the portal page <http://www.wikipedia.org> and then >>>> log what their actions are on that page, in relation to what we happen to >>>> be testing. We don't want folks going to the test on purpose and skewing >>>> the random sampling. >>>> >>>> Hope that helps...! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Deb >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Deb Tankersley >>>> Product Manager, Discovery >>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Gotcha! Well, that test is over, I'm afraid :). I know we do have >>>>> methods for sort of forcing a session into a test population (for browsing >>>>> purposes) but I'm not sure how I feel about the idea of making that >>>>> available for _non_testing purposes. It kind of defeats the point of an >>>>> A/B >>>>> test if the population is self-selected and features people aware of the >>>>> context of the test. >>>>> >>>>> On 26 January 2016 at 12:34, Luigi Assom <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi! >>>>>> >>>>>> @ Oliver, >>>>>> about A/B test I refer to the email of 13 Jan 2016 >>>>>> by Deborah Tankersley >>>>>> [discovery] New A/B testing on Wikipedia Portal page >>>>>> however, yes I would like tobe included in A/B tests in general, not >>>>>> a particular one. >>>>>> I m mostrly interested in full text search, knowledge discovery and >>>>>> discovery of topics' context. >>>>>> >>>>>> @Luca Nemo >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query#Generators >>>>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Search >>>>>> >>>>>> Not much clear to me yet, sorry. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will rephrase my question: >>>>>> I would like to do a full-text search (FTS) query, have the pageids >>>>>> and decorators. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also would like to have results hit (I see them in API:Search, >>>>>> list=search); I would like to access the page_Ids of articles (see them >>>>>> in >>>>>> generators). >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to understand if the backend between two is different, >>>>>> since I've read list=search use an ElasticSearch instance, and it seems >>>>>> to >>>>>> me it is faster and better FTS (not tried extensively, through). >>>>>> Also, list=search offers a snippet and may be less expensive for wiki >>>>>> server instead of quering an exerpt - is it the case? >>>>>> >>>>>> I pass: >>>>>> params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : 0, >>>>>> 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' : 'pageimages|extracts', >>>>>> 'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', 'exsentences' : 3, >>>>>> 'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' } >>>>>> >>>>>> would like to do the same with list=search. >>>>>> >>>>>> Could you please show an example of FTS with list=search ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Not clear to me how coudl I pass a list to a generator, if it is the >>>>>> case. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Which A/B test are you referring to? We have tried quite a few :). Or >>>>>>> do you just generally want to be included in the A/B tests? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 26 January 2016 at 03:44, Luigi Assom <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > Hello, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I have few question for discovery portal and API: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > - possible to be included in the 0.05% who tried the A/B test? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > - do you have or plan to have a feature for discovery *between* >>>>>>> topics? E.g. >>>>>>> > suggestions connecting two topics. >>>>>>> > I ve been working on this. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > - Which is the difference in API:Search between: >>>>>>> > list=search and generator=search ? >>>>>>> > The first seems to be faster to me. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > - I need to fetch the pageIDs of the results, and have them already >>>>>>> > redirected and decorated with images and snipped/excerpt. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > With generator=search I could do it, I can't with list=search >>>>>>> > Could you help in grasping query parameters? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > #generator=search >>>>>>> > params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : >>>>>>> 0, >>>>>>> > 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' : >>>>>>> 'pageimages|extracts', >>>>>>> > 'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', >>>>>>> 'exsentences' : 3, >>>>>>> > 'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' } >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > #list=search >>>>>>> > params = {'action':'query', 'list':'search', 'srsearch' : keywords, >>>>>>> > 'srlimit' : 20 , 'srprop' : 'size', 'indexpageids' : 1 } ?? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I m trying with sand box with no success, only search results are >>>>>>> hit, no >>>>>>> > matter of >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&list=search&format=json&srsearch=Albert%20Einstein&srnamespace=0&srinfo=totalhits%7Csuggestion%7Crewrittenquery&srprop=redirecttitle%7Credirectsnippet&indexpageids=&generator=images >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > - I also found 0&formatversion=2' is another param used in >>>>>>> search=list >>>>>>> > Has it a special meaning? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> > discovery mailing list >>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Oliver Keyes >>>>>>> Count Logula >>>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> discovery mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> discovery mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Oliver Keyes >>>>> Count Logula >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> discovery mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> discovery mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> discovery mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> discovery mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >> >> > > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Count Logula > Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > discovery mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery > >
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