I picked my words carefully in the previous mail: GIMP ToolKit got a
lot exposure because of GNOME, not GIMP. Before that it was just
another toolkit, like many others in the X11 world. And GNOME became
popular primarily because Canonical likes it more than KDE, and
Canonical is a commercial interest with freedom + support + services
being its business model. It is in their interest that more people see
Ubuntu and GNOME as good and usable, because that means more support
contracts and more Ubuntu One users.
KDE become popular with its partner QT along for the ride, and with
TrollTech, a company with a commercial interest with freedom being
only a part of its business model. Freedom is a way to stimulate
people to learn how to use QT and to get them to license it for
commercial use. Nokia has different goals, and they want QT for their
own offerings; I'm not sure how KDE fits into their plans. KDE e.V. is
also a company with, afaik, full time employees.
What company does GNUstep have to support its interests? It should be
FSF, I guess.
Here is a non-rhetoric question, since I don't know the current
situation: Does, and can, FSF invest its energy and resources into
GNUstep? Another one: do we have full time employees of some company
which decided popularization of GNUstep is their strategic interest?
If so, what are the planned ways to achieve popularization?
Well, I'm now going back to sleep, hopefully I made some sense in this
mail. If not, I'll regret that tomorrow :-)
Regards,
Ivan Vučica
via phone
On 26. sij. 2011., at 01:05, Banlu Kemiyatorn <[email protected]> wrote:
----- Original message -----
> GTK did not become popular just because it's something people are
> comfortable working in; it became particularly popular after
having a
> complete environment (GNOME), where people met GTK every day, became
AFAICR, Gimp Tool Kit rose because of GIMP
> popular. QT rose to prominence because of KDE. Cocoa became popular
IMHO, KDE does not rise as yet. But then GTK s(t)uck, QT gain more
corporate weight as Nokia switched from GTK, but not much weight
from KDE as KDE isnt in any part of their Meego system, is it? Thats
why they start plasma mobile thingy. KDE isnt even running on Win
but many consumer Winapps use it. It is quite obvious GPL KDE has
nothing to do with that. QT made it coz it is better than
alternative on Windows.
> because of OS X, not the other way around. UIKit is popular not just
> because it's simple to work with, but because iPhone is popular. Who
> would use Win32 APIs if Windows weren't popular?
Since they all have more money for good marketing and since they
didnt actually have competitors. And all we can do about marketing
is making good consumer products. What else we can do beside coding?
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ivan Vučica
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