Guys, I have to admit that I'm saddened to hear RMS express this kind of opinion, because losing Steve Jobs is undoubtedly a great loss. I have always said that I dislike the walled garden that Apple maintains around the iOS devices, but this doesn't justify this in the wake of what has occurred.
When I first joined GNUstep, I joined because I loved NeXTSTEP and because I loved how it all just "worked" and just fit together so neatly. Because I have always sought out and worked on things that I considered to be great, in spite of the status quo (most times, in direct contradiction of it :P). This is the spirit I believe Steve was referring to in the quote that I cited at the beginning of this thread. I feel that that spirit is in me, and, while I can't speak for the rest of the GNUstep team, I believe it is in all of you as well or you wouldn't be here day after day contributing to this project. Even though we may not agree with some of the things Steve Jobs did, he did move computing forward in many positive and tangible ways and he did leave a great legacy behind him. So it is unfair of RMS to characterize Steve as the "one who made jail cool." Don't let one bad thing tarnish a myriad of great things. I find that characterization uncalled for and quite harsh. I didn't join GNUstep because it was an FSF project or out of respect for Steve Jobs or for Richard Stallman. I joined because I love what I do, day in day out on this project and I hope to keep doing it for many years to come. It's what keeps me contributing when and however I can... whether through code or through evangelism by talking to people about the project. So, what I'm saying in a longwinded way is... Who cares what RMS said he has a right to his opinion and we have a right to disagree. We all know the truth and we all know why we're here, so let's just keep going, keep thinking different (yes... I love Apple plug lines sometimes) and keep moving forward for us and for the rest of the community. Yours, GC 2011/10/7 David Chisnall <[email protected]>: > Reading that made me feel faintly ashamed that I contribute to a GNU project. > Especially given that, looking at my GNUstep development system, I see more > lines of Free Software written by people @apple.com than by people @gnu.org. > > Fortunately, his attitude doesn't seem to be prevalent in the GNUstep > community. Having a competitor like NeXT and later Apple forced the Free > Software community to set high standards for itself. Imagine how bad life > would be if we were only trying to build something better than Windows... > > David > > On 7 Oct 2011, at 16:48, Ivan Vučica wrote: > >> And then, we also have comments like these. >> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/richard-m-stallman-on-steve-jobs-im-not-glad-hes-dead-but-im-glad-hes-gone/15275 >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 05:08, Gregory Casamento <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> That link is just fine. I can't think of anything better. I'll put it up. >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Fred Kiefer <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I thought of linking just to the page Apple has set up: >> > http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/ >> > But there may be a better place. >> > >> > Fred >> > >> > On the road >> > >> > Am 06.10.2011 um 22:28 schrieb Gregory Casamento >> > <[email protected]>: >> > >> >> Fred >> >> >> >> I think it's a wonderful idea. >> >> >> >> Give me the link and I can do it, I have access to the webpage code, >> >> just tell me where you think we should put it. >> >> >> >> GC >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Fred Kiefer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thank you for writing this note. I have been thinking about putting a >> >>> link to the commemoration page on the GNUstep web page. What do you >> >>> think about this and who would be able to make this change? >> >>> >> >>> It has been twenty years now, but I still remember opening the first >> >>> mail that got send to every account on a Next computer and hearing his >> >>> voice, "Hi, this is Steve Jobs, I want to welcome you..." >> >>> >> >>> Fred >> >>> >> >>> On the road >> >>> >> >>> Am 06.10.2011 um 19:57 schrieb Gregory Casamento >> >>> <[email protected]>: >> >>> >> >>>> "Sometimes life hits you in the head with a brick. Don't lose faith. >> >>>> I'm convinced that the only thing that kept me going was that I loved >> >>>> what I did." - (Steve Jobs, 2005 Commencement Speech at Stanford) >> >>>> >> >>>> Steve Jobs 1955-2011. Through your shining example, you gave many of >> >>>> us the courge to act, believe and think different. Thank you. >> >>>> >> >>>> GC >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Gregory Casamento - GNUstep Lead/Principal Consultant, OLC, Inc. >> >>>> yahoo/skype: greg_casamento, aol: gjcasa >> >>>> (240)274-9630 (Cell) >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Gregory Casamento - GNUstep Lead/Principal Consultant, OLC, Inc. >> >> yahoo/skype: greg_casamento, aol: gjcasa >> >> (240)274-9630 (Cell) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Discuss-gnustep mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Gregory Casamento - GNUstep Lead/Principal Consultant, OLC, Inc. >> yahoo/skype: greg_casamento, aol: gjcasa >> (240)274-9630 (Cell) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss-gnustep mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep >> >> >> >> -- >> Ivan Vučica - [email protected] >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss-gnustep mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep > > > -- Sent from my brain > > -- Gregory Casamento - GNUstep Lead/Principal Consultant, OLC, Inc. yahoo/skype: greg_casamento, aol: gjcasa (240)274-9630 (Cell) _______________________________________________ Discuss-gnustep mailing list [email protected] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep
