I'd also voice agreement with Greg. Although I have not yet made any
contributions, I'm tracking the project for both reasons that Fred and Greg
stated: because it's free and because it's technologically sound.

I don't think Richard's statement is completely ignorant or wrong; I just
feel it's stated in a completely inappropriate way.

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 22:36, Fred Kiefer <[email protected]> wrote:

> Thank you Greg, your mail expresses how I feel about this myself.
> Just one little difference, I did join GNUstep because it was a free
> software project. That is why it makes me even sadder to read such ignorant
> statements from RMS. The free software movement should really be different
> to that.
>
> Fred
>
> On the road
>
> Am 07.10.2011 um 21:06 schrieb Gregory Casamento <[email protected]
> >:
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > I have to admit that I'm saddened to hear RMS express this kind of
> > opinion, because losing Steve Jobs is undoubtedly a great loss.   I
> > have always said that I dislike the walled garden that Apple maintains
> > around the iOS devices, but this doesn't justify this in the wake of
> > what has occurred.
> >
> > When I first joined GNUstep, I joined because I loved NeXTSTEP and
> > because I loved how it all just "worked" and just fit together so
> > neatly.    Because I have always sought out and worked on things that
> > I considered to be great, in spite of the status quo (most times, in
> > direct contradiction of it :P).    This is the spirit I believe Steve
> > was referring to in the quote that I cited at the beginning of this
> > thread.   I feel that that spirit is in me, and, while I can't speak
> > for the rest of the GNUstep team, I believe it is in all of you as
> > well or you wouldn't be here day after day contributing to this
> > project.
> >
> > Even though we may not agree with some of the things Steve Jobs did,
> > he did move computing forward in many positive and tangible ways and
> > he did leave a great legacy behind him.    So it is unfair of RMS to
> > characterize Steve as the "one who made jail cool."   Don't let one
> > bad thing tarnish a myriad of great things.
> >
> > I find that characterization uncalled for and quite harsh.  I didn't
> > join GNUstep because it was an FSF project or out of respect for Steve
> > Jobs or for Richard Stallman.   I joined because I love what I do, day
> > in day out on this project and I hope to keep doing it for many years
> > to come.   It's what keeps me contributing when and however I can...
> > whether through code or through evangelism by talking to people about
> > the project.
> >
> > So, what I'm saying in a longwinded way is... Who cares what RMS said
> > he has a right to his opinion and we have a right to disagree.   We
> > all know the truth and we all know why we're here, so let's just keep
> > going, keep thinking different (yes... I love Apple plug lines
> > sometimes) and keep moving forward for us and for the rest of the
> > community.
> >
> > Yours, GC
>
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