Le 30 juillet, 12:13:06 Riccardo Mottola a écrit : > Hi, > > On 2017-07-29 19:42:02 +0200 Ivan Vučica <[email protected]> wrote: > > \o/ > > > > On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 2:42 PM Liam Proven <[email protected]> wrote: > >> http://www.osnews.com/story/29939/GNUSTEP_live_CD_2_5_released > >> > >> Also, there's a new release of GNUstep Live! :-) > > "cool": the GNUstep LiveCD gets us in the news again! > Sadly, the LiveCD has never been the best way to present us and it > apparently is even less so now. > > I haven't played with it myself this time, so I don't know exactly which > applications are packaged in, which version they are and how things are > configured. Apps used to derive from the Debian packages, with all > limitations of availability and versions, since GNUstep on Debian is surely > "not the best way" do showcase us. > > Sure, GNUstep lacks many things and "continues" to lack them and I don't > want to start again a discussion on what should and should not be done, > because they are the most useless and irritating threads that happen on > this mailig list, while our few energies should be catered in doing things. > > However, reading that "nothing changed" in 8 years is quite irritating, by > people who click for 10 minutes on a LiveCD. There you can only check a > couple of windows and menus, not much more. > > I just had a look at the screenshots on the LiveCD sites and they are all > "old" and made a quick mental comparison. > > > The progress has been a lot on most applications displayed there, deep > progress. Back then most applications there (e.g. GNUMail and GWorkspace > itself) were bitrotting, quite unportable and could even crash with a few > mouseclick. In so many years, we gathered a lot of new core functionality > (we caught up with API, Objective-C 2 and the Apps had to evolve with them > and most of them did well! Theming capabilities refined in the last years! > > Also, perhaps we don't have a Browser, little progress on the Preferences > side... but our some of our apps did improve way beyond simple maintenance! > Just the amount of bugs fixed in GNUMail in the past 2 years is notable > > And we have new nice apps too. Does the LiveCD have PikoPixel for example? A > very nice and polished application. And Laterna Magica? Battery Monitor? > Graphos? just to mention apps that practially did not exist or were > unusable 8 years ago. > > https://web.archive.org/web/20070220161636/http://gap.nongnu.org:80/ > > And now - back to work GNUstep! > > Riccardo > >
Hi Riccardo One problem is that the GNUstep project has nearly nothing to show to end users (except screenshots and descriptions). As a consequence a lot of people doesn't understand the project. They want to do a quick try but they can't. (in France we have the great http://linuxfr.org website where such questions often comes.) As I've always wanted to work on a light desktop using GNUstep, I propose to work on this : Even if the project is not about building a desktop, a lots of components are already present. My idea is to write a short how-to that can be polished along the time. It should answer to such basic questions that are evident for the team but not for the others : - which Window Manager can I choose ? which one for that task ? - how should I configure GWorkspace ? - where can I find themes ? - can I take some Etoilé components ? etc. Hence, starting with something light and extending it later. Nothing related to development but to building a working environment. I think it can help to attract devs because one can see what small apps / components are missing, and start to develop using GNUstep framework and tools. Later this how-to can serve as a basis for better packaging in distribs. I'm a sysadmin, working with end users in mind, trying to install simple, rock and solid desktops for them. But I'm not a dev, I will have a lot of questions to ask... Who wants to help ? Regards Xavier Brochard _______________________________________________ Discuss-gnustep mailing list [email protected] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep
