Well, you seem to be on my side but in anthoer corner
When we are talking about Gnustep outside objc view, developers has one main benefit: gnustep libraries that provide portable and rich libraries as a framework. as a programmer i like it but try to avoid objective-c and objective-c++ even more. gnustep ui are pretty cool to port wxWidgets or even tk into its backend. but why not to make this STEP more stright and provide some wrapper/binding to c++? So anyone can later do whatever he want using a c++ syntax without getting messed in objective-c++ every project. Objc++ is something evil when it comes to syntax and code readabilty: two languages, many restricts to merge, and a strange convention . theorically you can anything possible using this latter, but its too ugly to people to handle it. That's why i would like to go further and make gnustep accesible outside using objective-c++ from the application-developers and other programmer On Sat, May 15, 2021, 6:15 PM H. Nikolaus Schaller <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Usama and all, > any thoughts on my suggestions? > > BR, > Nikolaus > > > Am 11.05.2021 um 14:24 schrieb H. Nikolaus Schaller <[email protected]>: > > > > > >> Am 11.05.2021 um 13:48 schrieb Usama makhzoum <[email protected]>: > >> > >> > >> On 5/10/21 11:20 PM, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>>> Am 10.05.2021 um 20:58 schrieb أسامة مخزوم <[email protected]>: > >>>> > >>>> hi all > >>>> > >>>> I am thinking of a C++11 wrapper for base, gui and other libraries, > may be it is easier to do than another PL (because of objective-c++ > existence). however, i want to hear from you: I would like to have opinions > and whether if there was a attemp to do this (with c++98, for example). > >>>> > >>>> This also can give gnustep (another step). macosX developers always > searches for c++ wrappers around cocoa and friends. before they enforced > deeply to objc and swift, they simply wishing the last wish "I hope that > someone did it". so maybe a c++ wrapper can make gnutep famous for the mac > development, rather. > >>> On macOS C++ is not the primary language (except for kernel drivers). > It is ObjC and Swift. > >>> > >>> IMHO, objc++ exists because there are some interesting C++ based > libraries (e.g. data processing, business logic, file format decoders) > where it should be possible to integrate them into objc based GUI apps. So > in MVC architecture, C++ would be mainly used for providing an existing > data model. > >> > >> this could be also a reason for writing such a wrapper. > > > > I do not understand how it would help. If the GUI is to be written in > ObjC and some C++ libs to be included, wrapping ObjC transforms the whole > project into a C++ project which is not what I would like to have. > > > >> why doing things in two language becomes the standard way? think of it > as you were using python and have to do GUI staff with Qt, does i have to > try py-c++ or to use a wrapper like pyqt? > > > > Well, if I use ObjC and want to do some macOS or Linux or Windows GUI > stuff. Then I simply use GNUstep withou any wrappers. > > > >> > >> > >> GNUSTEP framework is a very easy-and-popular framework, i like it both > with developing, and in use. and I think it will make another little > advance if there was some easy/neat way to use from c++ (and many other > programming languages, like perl, and even javascript), i assume some > progress when a c++ programmer (thinks in terms of templates, > mutli-inheritance and smartpointers) has access to GNUSTEP. I know that i > didn't invent something new or make things impossible as possible. I want > to help people that like c++-syntax to consider gnustep as an option, after > all. > > > > Ok! > > > > Now, I could imagine something like a https://www.wxwidgets.org glue so > that you can compile any wxWidgets based application not only for macOS, > Linux (GTK, Qt, X11 etc.) or Windows but also for GNUstep. So make GNUstep > another "backend" option for wxWidgets in the list of supported platforms: > > > > https://www.wxwidgets.org/about/ (i.e. create some wxGNUstep) > > > >> > >>> > >>> I wonder what a use case of the reverse wrapping would be. > >> > >> a syntax-sugar, or convince wrapper is the main goal. maybe used as > additional gui-frontend for a c++ graphical or command line application > without too much diving into obj-c++. > > > > There may be a key decision before starting a project like you are > thinking of: which classes and interfaces should your wrapper provide? > Something completely new (optimized for wrapping GNUstep) or a well known > set of interfaces already used by many C++ projects. > > > > Beware: there are already many: > > > > > https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/babfl5/a_pretty_big_list_of_c_gui_libraries/ > > > > So wxWidget seems to me one of the preferred choices - but I am not that > active in C++ that I know what others are doing. > > > > What I therefor suggest is to check if it is sufficient to make a > special compiler setup to compile wxOSX/Cocoaas as C++ wrapper around > GNUstep. So it may even almost exist but nobody did have the idea to make > use of it. And it may be a much more manageable task than inventing a new > wrapper and make people use it. > > > > Now I see a nice benefit of such a project: get any source package from > github (e.g. KiCAD) that uses wxWidgets, compile it with wxGNUstep and get > a harmonized look and feel inside a GNUstep desktop... > > > > > >
