Had you reported that OpenSRS had returned the domain names to you after you
proved the facts of the stolen card, then I would be fully supportive of
OpenSRS and agreed that they were finally supporting their RSPs against the
thieves of the world.
As it stands OpenSRS ensured that the thief is not using the domains, but is
also preventing you, the rightful owner of the domains from using them.
After all, you paid OpenSRS for these domains, not your thieving client.
So now OpenSRS needs to take the next step and return those domains to the
rightful owner, the RSP that paid OpenSRS for the domain names.
There is no excuse for OpenSRS not returning the domain names to you as the
rightful owner, since as you reported, you provided evidence to prove that
the thief did not own and should not have the use of the domain names.
Evidence that OpenSRS agreed with, since they suspended the use of the
domain names.
As it stands now, OpenSRS is the only winner. The thief lost, as it should
be, you the victim lost, as it should not be. So you are not only the
victim of the thief, but also the victim of OpenSRS.
OpenSRS does not have any obligation to return the money to you, but they
should have the obligation to return the use of the domains to you once you
proved the thief no longer had the right to use the domain names, since you
are their client and you are the person from whom they received payment for
the domains.
If you are not OpenSRS's client and the person that paid for the domains,
then OpenSRS had no right to suspend the domains just because you did not
get paid for them. Doesn't matter whether you were given a bad check or
credit card to pay for the domains, this was not given to OpenSRS to pay for
the domains.
Therefore if the thief is the rightful owner of the domain names and not
you, then OpenSRS violated the thieves rights by suspending the domain names
based on the thieves non-payment or fraudulent payment to you.
As it stands now, OpenSRS is talking out of both sides of their mouths on
this issue.
It will be interesting to see if this issue ever goes to court somewhere.
Just my opinion.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of WebWiz
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: deleting a ca domain
I have to agree from personal experience. We got hit by someone using a
stolen credit card to register 4 domain names (each for 5 years), and
OpenSRS very quickly responded and placed the names on administrative hold.
I wasn't able to recover the financial loss (and didn't expect to), but
OpenSRS made sure that the jerk doesn't get to use the names.
Regards,
Eric Longman
Atl-Connect Internet Services
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Rivers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 2:36 PM
Subject: RE: deleting a ca domain
I'm sorry but that is completely untrue.
Although compliance is completely overworked, they will eventually respond.
If
you send a support or compliance issue to "upper management" you are causing
an
even greater delay as they will simply forward it to the correct address.
Resellers are responsible for payment. However, if a domain is fraudulently
registered, compliance will place it on hold. You are still out the money
but
the scammer will not get the domain.
I hope this clears things up.
On Thu, 07 Dec 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It has been my experience that OpenSRS' policy is to simply ignore these
> issues. E-mail sent to support@ will be replied that charge backs are a
> compliance issue. If you send your request to compliance@ or to upper
> management, it will just be ignored.
>
> In short, if you encounter fraudulent domain registrations, not only must
> you incur the financial loss, but the perpetrator also gets to keep the
> domain since OpenSRS will not delete or hold these domains. Unfortunately,
> this policy just proliferates fraudulent domain registrations and makes
any
> RSP's that perform immediate registration an easy target.
>
> Rich Shockney
> RS Marketing
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert Rivers
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 11:09 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: deleting a ca domain
>
>
> Oh sure, pass the buck :)
>
> I did a quick check of CIRA's website. They don't mention the word
"delete"
> anywhere in their FAQ or Dispute policy.
>
> Not a good start...
>
> On Thu, 07 Dec 2000, Charles Daminato wrote:
> > Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance with this procedure :)
> >
> > --
> >
> > Charles Daminato
> > Tucows Product Manager (ccTLDs)
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Education is an admirable thing, but it is well to remember from time to
> > time that nothing worth knowing can be taught.
> >
> > - Oscar Wilde
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Prog
> > > Sent: December 7, 2000 4:03 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: deleting a ca domain
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > How to delete a dot ca domain ? In case of charge back for example.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 8:54 AM
> > > Subject: RE: GST on domain transfers
> > >
> > >
> > > > You can always approach your local tax office for a ruling.
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I would take the line that as a reseller, the goods are
> > > > provided from OpenSRS and any GST would only apply to the service
> > > > provided by the reseller, ie above the purchase price for the
> > > domain.
> > > > Then you also have the added complications if your servers and
> > > > infrastructure is not in the Country that has GST. Can be
> > > > complicated.
> > > >
> > > > I've put off dealing with it for the time being but is an issue that
> > > I
> > > > will have to face soon.
> > > >
> > > > Dassa
> > > >
> > > > |>-----Original Message-----
> > > > |>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > |>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott Goodman
> > > > |>Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 10:59 AM
> > > > |>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > |>Subject: Re: GST on domain transfers
> > > > |>
> > > > |>
> > > > |>
> > > > |>Thanks for the info.
> > > > |>
> > > > |>It's way above my head. I just wanna write code :)
> > > > |>
> > > > |>I'll pass this on to oru accounting type people and let them
> > > > |>unravel it.
> > > >
> > >
> --
> Robert Rivers
> OpenSRS Technical Operations
> (416) 535-0123
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Robert Rivers
OpenSRS Technical Operations
(416) 535-0123
