At 3:49 PM -0700 9/5/00, William X. Walsh wrote:
>Sorry, Paul, but there is simply no reason for the owner not to be
>listed as the admin and every reason for them to be the admin contact.
Says you. Myself and others have different experience in this matter.
>The fact is, in reality and in common practice, for the admin contact
>to be considered the owner of the domain name.
Common practice... whose common practice would that be? To my
knowledge, the common practice is that the Organization listed in the
"owner" section of the whois record is the domain owner. For example,
Yahoo (YAHOO-DOM)
3400 Central Expressway, Suite 201
Santa Clara, CA 95051
Domain Name: YAHOO.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Balling, Derek J (DJB470) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yahoo!
3420 Central Expressway
Santa Clara, CA 95051
+1-408-530-5062
There is not a single person alive who would think that _I_ own the
yahoo.com domain. (If you do, I'd like to sell you a bridge).
> And there is NO reason
>for the ISP or person managing the domain to have to be the admin
>contact, when they can be the technical contact.
Again, says you. Quite often, the "prowess level" of the person YOU
would put in charge of the Admin-Contact handle ranges somewhere
between "0" and "i"[1]. If administrative issues, for those types of
customers, are being handled by the RSP, ISP, or whomever, then THEY
are the person who should be on the Admin-Contact handle.
> The billing contact
>should be the person responsible for paying the domain fees.
This is, of course, obvious.
>It's a fact of life that this is the case these days. It has happened
>enough, is so widespread an abuse, that there is no other way to paint
>it except as unethical.
There are so many people that drive cars and hit people, that there
is no other way to paint "driving a car" except as "reckless".
You want to beat up on cowboy-ISP's who are screwing their customer?
Be my guest, and I'll support you in every way. Don't tell me that I
have to do business YOUR way, though, if my customer is happy with
the situation.
>I have seen no compelling reasons for the owner of the domain name to
>not be listed as the admin, or for the ISP or host to require being
>the admin contact of the domain.
I can require whatever I like. If the customer doesn't like it, they
are free to go elsewhere. That's what competition is all about, isn't
it?
> With nothing substantive to benefit,
>and everything to risk in the practice, there really is no other
>conclusion to come to.
There are, obviously, other conclusions, or else people wouldn't be
disagreeing on this point.
>If anyone comes to me asking questions about their domain, and I see
>the ISP or whatever, has not listed the registrant as the admin
>contact, I tell them exactly what I said above about the practice, and
>I stand by it.
You can call the Mona Lisa a Picasso and stand by it, but that
doesn't make it an accurate statement.
D
