Domain Direct got it's start late in '96 or so pre-registering "new" gtlds
that were supposed to have been created by the IAHC/CORE process.
I'm thanking my lucky stars that we did this gratis, otherwise I'd have
50,000 or so people screaming at me today about their .shop
registrations...
Pre-reg is a sticky subject, but given the fact that there are no
guarantees, I would expect ethical businesses to stay out of it *at
least* until new name space has been approved and registries assigned...
-rwr
On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Shifter wrote:
> Lee & Rick,
>
> Though I'm not necessarily condoning the service of pre-registering
> yet to be dtermined TLDs, I can see a valid argument for Rick's
> position. If I wanted to pay $20. for a domain name that I really
> wanted, with the hope that ICANN adopts that TLD, who is going to
> provide that service? Rick. If that TLD doesn't get approved, I'm out
> $20. That is an acceptable loss considering I had a better chance of
> getting the domain than the guy who thought it was a scam and was
> going to wait until every Registrar carried that TLD. He would have
> submitted it far later in the queue than I had.
>
> The issue here, I think, is whether the consumer knows he's paying
> for a CHANCE at the name, and not for the name ITSELF. After all, 100
> million people in North America play the lottery every week! They
> don't freak out when they don't win, they just keep on paying. I
> think that regland.com makes this very clear.
>
> Now, as for who the "affiliates" are, and what the "agreements"
> propose to do, is very unclear at regland.com. This lack of clarity
> certainly gives me a sense of uneasiness when reading the details,
> and I definately wouldn't be sending them MY money (no offense
> intended, Rick). I'd like to know in advance who the Registrar will
> be so I can check them out in advance, as well as know where to go to
> manage my domain when (read "if") it gets put through.
>
> In summary, I think that the argument for pre-reg of the YTBD TLDs is
> clear, given that the consumer knows it is a lottery and that details
> are disclosed of how the process will occur, and with whom.
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Stephen Schaff
>
>
>
>
> --- "Lee Hodgson - DomainGuideBook.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Rick,
> >
> > Thank you for your reply.
> >
> > I don't see how ICANN could restrict duplicates. They have to
> > accept all
> > entries, and then chose one (or none) of the duplicate entries.
> > What would
> > you have preferred. First come, first served?
> >
> > I have read a lot about pre-registration on the OpenSRS discussion
> > list and
> > other places, and there are a lot of professional people there that
> > have
> > been around as long as you have, and the concensus is that your
> > 'pre-registration' idea is a scam. If you can persuade me
> > otherwise, great,
> > I will tell everybody that you have a great system.
> >
> > But I do worry greatly about a site that is taking $20
> > (non-refundable) of
> > people's hard-earned money for the slight chance that they get a
> > name they
> > want, in TLDs that haven't even been announced yet. Let's imagine
> > that ICANN
> > only approve 3 new TLDs. You'll be pocketing the money of all the
> > people
> > that tried to 'pre-register' the other 17 domains you 'support'.
> > How nice
> > for you.
> >
> > And just how exactly is your system so great? You've got a fast
> > link, big
> > deal. Just who are the registrars that you have done deals with?
> > How could
> > you, it isn't even known yet which registrars will be operating the
> > new
> > names. And your queue is no better than my queue or anybody else
> > queue,
> > because you haven't actually queued the names anywhere worthwhile
> > at all.
> > They are just sitting on your server.
> >
> > The only real pre-registration going on is for .CA names, but I see
> > you're
> > not involved in that.
> >
> > Sorry, bud. If it looks like a scam, and smells like a scam,
> > chances are it
> > is a scam.
> >
> > Just my opinion of course.
> >
> > Lee Hodgson
> > http://DomainGuideBook.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rick Hernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 11:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: Affilaite Program
> >
> >
> > > Lee,
> > >
> > > Both David and I came accross several sites that we thought had
> > partnership
> > > possibilities with Regland. I was sincere when I said that I
> > liked your
> > > site. I don't think I should be attacked as a spammer for
> > sending the
> > same
> > > message to multiple sites. I visited each site and sent an email
> > when
> > > appropriate. I did not tell everyone the same thing--I may have
> > typed the
> > > same thing on some occasions for expediency or for a lack of
> > better words.
> > > I was trying to inquire to see if there was interest. If there
> > is not
> > then
> > > so be it. You have also attacked my company as a SCAM. The
> > biggest SCAM
> > in
> > > domain names is ICANN. They were taking $50,000 applications for
> > new tlds
> > > and they were not restricting duplicates. Our customers know
> > that
> > > pre-registration is speculative. We tell them that ICANN may not
> > approve
> > of
> > > any names. But if they do, we offer a service -an automated
> > solution to
> > > send names through to be registered--for those that want a shot
> > at a good
> > > domain name. The fact of the matter is one can choose to be
> > early and
> > take
> > > a chance with us for a good domain name and have it submitted as
> > fast as
> > > possible or to wait until everything is decided and then begin to
> > register
> > > the name. Who do you think has the best chance of getting the
> > name they
> > > want?
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Lee Hodgson - DomainGuideBook.com
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:38 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: Affilaite Program
> > >
> > >
> > > Firstly, are you David or Rick.
> > >
> > > Secondly, you sent the exact same email to many domain sites
> > yesterday (=
> > > SPAM)
> > >
> > > Thirdly, there is no synergism - we both compete registering
> > domains
> > >
> > > Fourthly, I have just written an article for DEMC condemning the
> > > pre-registration scams that are going around.
> > >
> > > Fifthly, you can guess that I'm not interested.
> > >
> > > Lee
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: David Hernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 3:15 AM
> > > Subject: Affilaite Program
> > >
> > >
> > > > Great Site. I came across your site yesterday and I think that
> > your
> > site
> > > > has some definite synergism with http://www.Regland.com. Check
> > us out!
> > > We
> > > > have terrific affiliate programs for both high volume and low
> > volume
> > > sites.
> > > > We believe in long-term and highly profitable partnerships with
> > our
> > > > affiliates. I hope we can make some money together SOON.
> > > >
> > > > Yours truly,
> > > >
> > > > Rick Hernandez
> > > > Director of Sales and Marketing
> > > > http://www.Regland.com
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > 210-495-9800
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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