Hello,
I think that is the point. Nothing guarantees anything. It is a pure gamble.
Which is why many view it as an unethical practice
later
David
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This may have been answered but:
>
> What guarantees that if someone purchase a domain with one system that
> those domains will be honored when/if that namespace becomes approved.
> IE: What is stopping me (as an RSP/Nameserver) from registering
> *.mailmessenger or better yet *.anythingintheworld? And if I were to do
> this where does it say that if by some weird/random occurrence ICANN
> decided to use these namespaces that those who are on my list of
> .whatever's will be able to retain their respective registrations?
>
> I don't get it.
>
> --Tov Lutzker, DNS Administrator
> Mailmessenger Networks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Iyoha
> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 5:30 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Affilaite Program
>
> Hello Web Wiz,
>
> I am not sure how this is any different than a lottery.
>
> Some of those namespaces are going to come into existence. But we do not
> know
> which ones. So the risk is paying for a namespace that you like and think
> will
> become legitimate.
>
> Thats the gamble. The "winnings" are if you guessed right, you have a high
> chance of getting the name you wanted.
>
> Also I am curious ... do you think there is something wrong with insurance
> in
> general?
>
> later
>
> David
>
> WebWiz wrote:
>
> > At least when people play the lottery, they know that WHAT will be given
> > away in the end, and they know that SOMEBODY actually has a chance at
> > winning it. With this, RegLand is selling a chance at getting something
> > that may very well never exist. Oh, and not only are they charging for
> the
> > CHANCE, they're also going to ding you for the actual registration if it
> > DOES go through!! They get you coming and going.
> >
> > I agree that the RegLand site is upfront about the risks of doing
> business
> > with them, but I also think they're playing the same game that insurance
> > companies play; playing off people's fears about what *might* happen,
> and
> > capitalizing on their willingness to pay money in a vain attempt to get
> the
> > upper hand.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Eric Longman
> > Atl-Connect Internet Services
> >
> > +-------------------------------------------------------+
> > | Atl-Connect Internet Services http://www.atlcon.net |
> > | 3600 Dallas Hwy Ste 230-288 770 590-0888 |
> > | Marietta, GA 30064-1685 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
> > +-------------------------------------------------------+
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Shifter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 2:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: Affilaite Program
> >
> > Lee & Rick,
> >
> > Though I'm not necessarily condoning the service of pre-registering
> > yet to be dtermined TLDs, I can see a valid argument for Rick's
> > position. If I wanted to pay $20. for a domain name that I really
> > wanted, with the hope that ICANN adopts that TLD, who is going to
> > provide that service? Rick. If that TLD doesn't get approved, I'm out
> > $20. That is an acceptable loss considering I had a better chance of
> > getting the domain than the guy who thought it was a scam and was
> > going to wait until every Registrar carried that TLD. He would have
> > submitted it far later in the queue than I had.
> >
> > The issue here, I think, is whether the consumer knows he's paying
> > for a CHANCE at the name, and not for the name ITSELF. After all, 100
> > million people in North America play the lottery every week! They
> > don't freak out when they don't win, they just keep on paying. I
> > think that regland.com makes this very clear.
> >
> > Now, as for who the "affiliates" are, and what the "agreements"
> > propose to do, is very unclear at regland.com. This lack of clarity
> > certainly gives me a sense of uneasiness when reading the details,
> > and I definately wouldn't be sending them MY money (no offense
> > intended, Rick). I'd like to know in advance who the Registrar will
> > be so I can check them out in advance, as well as know where to go to
> > manage my domain when (read "if") it gets put through.
> >
> > In summary, I think that the argument for pre-reg of the YTBD TLDs is
> > clear, given that the consumer knows it is a lottery and that details
> > are disclosed of how the process will occur, and with whom.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Stephen Schaff
> >
> > --- "Lee Hodgson - DomainGuideBook.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > Rick,
> > >
> > > Thank you for your reply.
> > >
> > > I don't see how ICANN could restrict duplicates. They have to
> > > accept all
> > > entries, and then chose one (or none) of the duplicate entries.
> > > What would
> > > you have preferred. First come, first served?
> > >
> > > I have read a lot about pre-registration on the OpenSRS discussion
> > > list and
> > > other places, and there are a lot of professional people there that
> > > have
> > > been around as long as you have, and the concensus is that your
> > > 'pre-registration' idea is a scam. If you can persuade me
> > > otherwise, great,
> > > I will tell everybody that you have a great system.
> > >
> > > But I do worry greatly about a site that is taking $20
> > > (non-refundable) of
> > > people's hard-earned money for the slight chance that they get a
> > > name they
> > > want, in TLDs that haven't even been announced yet. Let's imagine
> > > that ICANN
> > > only approve 3 new TLDs. You'll be pocketing the money of all the
> > > people
> > > that tried to 'pre-register' the other 17 domains you 'support'.
> > > How nice
> > > for you.
> > >
> > > And just how exactly is your system so great? You've got a fast
> > > link, big
> > > deal. Just who are the registrars that you have done deals with?
> > > How could
> > > you, it isn't even known yet which registrars will be operating the
> > > new
> > > names. And your queue is no better than my queue or anybody else
> > > queue,
> > > because you haven't actually queued the names anywhere worthwhile
> > > at all.
> > > They are just sitting on your server.
> > >
> > > The only real pre-registration going on is for .CA names, but I see
> > > you're
> > > not involved in that.
> > >
> > > Sorry, bud. If it looks like a scam, and smells like a scam,
> > > chances are it
> > > is a scam.
> > >
> > > Just my opinion of course.
> > >
> > > Lee Hodgson
> > > http://DomainGuideBook.com
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Rick Hernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 11:56 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Affilaite Program
> > >
> > >
> > > > Lee,
> > > >
> > > > Both David and I came accross several sites that we thought had
> > > partnership
> > > > possibilities with Regland. I was sincere when I said that I
> > > liked your
> > > > site. I don't think I should be attacked as a spammer for
> > > sending the
> > > same
> > > > message to multiple sites. I visited each site and sent an email
> > > when
> > > > appropriate. I did not tell everyone the same thing--I may have
> > > typed the
> > > > same thing on some occasions for expediency or for a lack of
> > > better words.
> > > > I was trying to inquire to see if there was interest. If there
> > > is not
> > > then
> > > > so be it. You have also attacked my company as a SCAM. The
> > > biggest SCAM
> > > in
> > > > domain names is ICANN. They were taking $50,000 applications for
> > > new tlds
> > > > and they were not restricting duplicates. Our customers know
> > > that
> > > > pre-registration is speculative. We tell them that ICANN may not
> > > approve
> > > of
> > > > any names. But if they do, we offer a service -an automated
> > > solution to
> > > > send names through to be registered--for those that want a shot
> > > at a good
> > > > domain name. The fact of the matter is one can choose to be
> > > early and
> > > take
> > > > a chance with us for a good domain name and have it submitted as
> > > fast as
> > > > possible or to wait until everything is decided and then begin to
> > > register
> > > > the name. Who do you think has the best chance of getting the
> > > name they
> > > > want?
> > > >
> > > > Rick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Lee Hodgson - DomainGuideBook.com
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:38 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: Affilaite Program
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Firstly, are you David or Rick.
> > > >
> > > > Secondly, you sent the exact same email to many domain sites
> > > yesterday (=
> > > > SPAM)
> > > >
> > > > Thirdly, there is no synergism - we both compete registering
> > > domains
> > > >
> > > > Fourthly, I have just written an article for DEMC condemning the
> > > > pre-registration scams that are going around.
> > > >
> > > > Fifthly, you can guess that I'm not interested.
> > > >
> > > > Lee
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: David Hernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 3:15 AM
> > > > Subject: Affilaite Program
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Great Site. I came across your site yesterday and I think that
> > > your
> > > site
> > > > > has some definite synergism with http://www.Regland.com. Check
> > > us out!
> > > > We
> > > > > have terrific affiliate programs for both high volume and low
> > > volume
> > > > sites.
> > > > > We believe in long-term and highly profitable partnerships with
> > > our
> > > > > affiliates. I hope we can make some money together SOON.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yours truly,
> > > > >
> > > > > Rick Hernandez
> > > > > Director of Sales and Marketing
> > > > > http://www.Regland.com
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > 210-495-9800
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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