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-- Mike Allen, 4CheapDomains.Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.4CheapDomains.Net (812) 275-8425 - Office (815) 364-1278 - Fax ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Oleg Chebotarev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Michael Brunson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 6:21 AM Subject: Re: Register.Com sending letters now???!!! > > Can we get a word from OSRS on > > what third parties purchased this bulk access? > > Certainly... > > Thomson & Thomson > Hostway > Valueweb > Accurl > eMarkmonitor > Netnames > Snapnames > Dun & Bradstreet > > This list is accurate as of this past Sunday. Also, attached is a sample of > our current agreement. > > -rwr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oleg Chebotarev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Michael Brunson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: Register.Com sending letters now???!!! > > > > Can we get a word from OSRS on > > what third parties purchased this bulk access? > > --- Michael Brunson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Let's play a little game with Occam's Razor... > > > > > > Perhaps they took the lazy and lawful route of buying > > > the WHOIS data? > > > > > > Why would openSRS (or any registrar) do this? Another > > > simple answer, they must. > > > > > > Here are some relevant quotes, which some of you have > > > probably seen many times: > > > > > > --------------- > > > REGISTRAR ACCREDITATION AGREEMENT > > > http://www.icann.org/nsi/icann-raa-04nov99.htm > > > [...] > > > > > > F. Public Access to Data on SLD Registrations. During > > > the term of this Agreement: > > > [...] > > > > > > 6. In addition, Registrar shall provide third-party > > > bulk access to the data subject to public access > > > under Section II.F.1 under the following terms and > > > conditions: > > > > > > a. Registrar shall make a complete electronic copy of > > > the data available at least one time per week for > > > download by third parties who have entered into a > > > bulk access agreement with Registrar. > > > > > > b. Registrar may charge an annual fee, not to exceed > > > US$10,000, for such bulk access to the data. > > > > > > c. Registrar's access agreement shall require the > > > third party to agree not to use the data to allow, > > > enable, or otherwise support the transmission of > > > mass unsolicited, commercial advertising or > > > solicitations via e-mail (spam). > > > > > > d. Registrar's access agreement may require the third > > > party to agree not to use the data to enable > > > high-volume, automated, electronic processes that > > > apply to Registrar (or its systems). > > > > > > e. Registrar's access agreement may require the third > > > party to agree not to sell or redistribute the data > > > except insofar as it has been incorporated by the > > > third party into a value-added product or service > > > that does not permit the extraction of a > > > substantial portion of the bulk data from the > > > value-added product or service for use by other > > > parties. > > > > > > f. Registrar may enable SLD holders who are > > > individuals to elect not to have Personal Data > > > concerning their registrations available for bulk > > > access for marketing purposes based on Registrar's > > > "Opt-Out" policy, and if Registrar has such a > > > policy Registrar shall require the third party to > > > abide by the terms of that Opt-Out policy; > > > provided, however, that Registrar may not use such > > > data subject to opt-out for marketing purposes in > > > its own value-added product or service. > > > --------------- > > > > > > I think that pretty much speaks for itself. if not.. > > > Registrars must allow for companies to buy their WHOIS > > > data. I don't like it anymore than anyone else we I get > > > the letters and I dislike it even more when it takes > > > customers, but since those are the current rules we > > > shall live by them. If you want to change the rules, > > > that is a different topic and a different list. > > > > > > > > > Have a great night, > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:41:57 -0700, Genie Livingstone > > > used a few recycled electrons to form: > > > > > > | It's being done all the time - they spread the lookups over several > > > | unsuspecting whois script owners and time them about one whois > > > querry > > > | per so many seconds - we catch them all the time on our whois.cgi > > > and > > > | simply block that IP simply to find another rascal trying later, > > > this is > > > | one of the reasons we think livestats or similar visitor monitoring > > > are > > > | priceless to protect our IP from being banned since there are abuse > > > | attempts by harvesters > > > | > > > | cheers > > > | Genie > > > | > > > | > > > | > How about the following scenario: > > > | > 1. someone signed up for zone files (free) > > > | > 2. someone2 wrote a perl script for someone for $50 (25/hr) > > > | > that perl script does the following: > > > | > opens zone file stored localy. > > > | > queries using oroginal registrar whois server. > > > | > looks if expiration date is in the next century or less, > > > | > if this the case puts all necesarry information into template. > > > | > when all zone file are done prints results. > > > | > Then manyaly someone3 puts it into envelops an mails it (bulk) > > > | > 3. someone gets payments from the customers of other registrars. > > > | > 4. Since ICANN takes no action and this "additional" incomes > > > saves the > > > | > company from Ch 11. this info is priceless. > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >
