>It's not the case. I watched some of these policies being made back in '99.
>If I'd had the choice, I think I would have chosen a trip to the butcher to
>watch sausage being made. Your theory gives Verisign too much credit. They
>are masterful at the art of exploiting a political situation, but I have a
>hard time believing that they had the foresight to engineer the transfers
>fiasco back when the contracts were being put together. (That, and the fact
>that Verisign was Network Solutions back then ;)
sure, they were too stupid to want to cheat.
>Have they exploited a happy situation that Register.com invented?
>Absolutely. Is ICANN taking pay-offs to perpetuate it? C'mon Lars...X-Files
>got cancelled...
yes, and that was a great idea,
now the world is mostly clean and corruption-free.
pity they did not think about it before Enron, Tyco and Verisign/ICANN
kind regards philippe
--- *** ---
http://globalcorruptionreport.org/
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/3/4/211830.shtml
Enron Linked to Corruption in Clinton White House
http://www.aim.org/publications/media_monitor/2002/01/02.html
Accuracy In Media - Media Monitor - ENRON, CORRUPTION AND THE MEDIA
http://cookreport.com/icannoverall.shtml
Secret Meeting Shows ICANN - IBM Dependence
http://www.cdt.org/dns/icann/study/concerns.shtml
CDT: ICANN Study: Inadequate Safeguards to Ensure Fair
Elections, and Guard Against Fraud and Corruption
http://www.dnso.org/history/www.dnso.org/discuss/mail-archive/02000.html
When's Payback Time? (was Is ICANN Bankrupt?)
http://fromthewilderness.com/free/politics/demo_party_prez.html
The Democratic Party's Presidential Drug Money Pipeline
http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/10_09_01_krongard.html
Suppressed Details of Criminal Insider Trading Lead Directly Into The CIA's Highest
Ranks
http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/12_06_01_death_profits_pt1.html
Profits of Death - Insider Trading and 9-11
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "SpyProductions - Lars Hindsley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Ross Wm. Rader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "discuss-list"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:03 PM
>Subject: RE: Dancing with Register.com
>
>
>> Ross I luv ya like a brother, but you really gotta stop selling me this
>> ICANN crap.
>>
>> Here is why I don't buy ICANN is "doing a pretty good job actually..."
>>
>> In a nutshell, they gave VeriSign control over the transfer policy. They
>> clearly knew better. This was a deal that someone was paid off over and
>to
>> think otherwise is naive. With billions of dollars on the line, this is
>too
>> easy a deal for some back room negotiators not to broker.
>>
>> Ross, you are too close to forest to see the trees. From ground level, I
>> see this mighty clear.
>>
>> Lars
>> SpyProductions
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ross Wm. Rader
>> Sent: June 20, 2002 9:11 PM
>> To: Mike Allen; Karyn Ulriksen; discuss-list
>> Subject: Re: Dancing with Register.com
>>
>>
>> ICANN is doing a pretty good job actually. The biggest problem is that
>they
>> signed a bunch of contracts that don't make a whole lot of good sense two
>or
>> three years later.
>>
>> For instance, guess who is the enforcer of transfer policy? ICANN? Nope.
>> Verisign (well at least for dotCOM). Now you can imagine how easy it is to
>> get Verisign to get Verisign to do the right thing by the contract that
>they
>> signed with themselves.
>>
>> ICANN has a lot of areas where they need improvement, but in a lot of
>cases,
>> they really get the short end of an undeserved stick. Take the WLS for
>> example. I don't think that Verisign is really committed to the WLS as a
>> product in a major way - after all, they are a huge company and this
>doesn't
>> smell like a big revenue opportunity. So, with that in mind consider this.
>> This proposal effectively puts ICANN in a catch-22. If they approve the
>WLS,
>> the are furthering the VGRS monopoly, if they deny it, they are hindering
>> innovation and registry competition. While I do believe that it is there
>lot
>> to make a bunch of tough decisions, with the undue attention that they are
>> getting from Congress et al (largely as the result of pressure from a
>> well-paid lobby), they can't afford to make many "wrong" decisions right
>> now.
>>
>> Anyways, enough of the rant...back to the regularly schedule programming.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -rwr
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Karyn Ulriksen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "discuss-list"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: Dancing with Register.com
>>
>>
>> > Won't do any good. ICANN now stands for: ICANN'T - Verisign gets to do
>> > WHAT EVER THEY WANT. But, if ANYONE else breaks a rule, ICANN will be
>> right
>> > on them. ICANN in our opinion is the biggest cause for all the domain
>> scams
>> > and problems at this because they will not enforce their current rules,
>> and
>> > they will not change the rules on a on-going basis to fill the loop
>holes
>> > that they currently have. I will be curious to see in a few years who at
>> > ICANN is on the payroll at Verisign. It will eventually come out in the
>> wash
>> > ;o>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mike Allen, 4CheapDomains.Net
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > http://www.4CheapDomains.Net
>> > (812) 275-8425 - Office
>> > (815) 364-1278 - Fax
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Karyn Ulriksen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Karyn Ulriksen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:26 PM
>> > Subject: RE: Dancing with Register.com
>> >
>> >
>> > > I thought these registrars had to answer to a central authority such
>as
>> > the
>> > > NSA. Actually, I hadn't thought about it much at all since they broke
>> up
>> > > the NSA/InterNic monopoly and I buried my head in a router or two...
>> > >
>> > > Where could I find the guidelines that these companies are suppose to
>> > follow
>> > > relative to domain registration services? ICANN? Who's running these
>> > > things? Spamford Wallace?
>> > >
>> > > K
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 3:51 PM
>> > > To: 'Karyn Ulriksen'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > Subject: RE: Dancing with Register.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > In my experience, they among others, simply get to jack us around.
>> > >
>> > > I make virtually nothing on most of my transfers since there is so
>much
>> > > manual intervention involved. I only hope that these customers don't
>> > > transfer out to eNom or GoDaddy to save a few bucks now that I have
>> > > managed to wrangle them away from Joker, Register.com and Verisign...
>> > >
>> > > Remember that if you renew at Register.com and then transfer within 45
>> > > days, you'll lose the renewal period you added to your domain...
>> > >
>> > > -t
>> > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Karyn Ulriksen
>> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:18 PM
>> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > > Subject: Dancing with Register.com
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Like most Tucows resellers, I'm currently trying to transfer
>> > > > my personal domains into the Tucows fold from another
>> > > > registrar. In this case Register.com.
>> > > >
>> > > > The unfolding interaction has been thus:
>> > > >
>> > > > Submit my Transfer requests thru our reseller interface
>> > > > to OpenSRS
>> > > >
>> > > > Recieve email from OpenSRS regarding my domains being
>> > > > transfered.
>> > > >
>> > > > Acknowledge OpenSRS email.
>> > > >
>> > > > <wait patiently for register.com ACK email which never arrives>
>> > > >
>> > > > Receive email from OpenSRS telling me that Register.com
>> > > > has rejected the transfer.
>> > > >
>> > > > Call Register.com regarding reject:
>> > > >
>> > > > Tech manually pushes ACK letter through system,
>> > > > but it doesn't arrive.
>> > > >
>> > > > Tech test email from her workstation as listed
>> > > > in Register.com contact
>> > > > info and it arrives Okay.
>> > > >
>> > > > Tech bypasses system and pushes ACK letter
>> > > > manually from workstation.
>> > > >
>> > > > I, simulataneously, acknowledge transfers from
>> > > > Register.com and resubmit
>> > > > requests with Tucows
>> > > >
>> > > > I wait for 24 hours as noted by Register.com
>> > > >
>> > > > <waiting patiently again>
>> > > >
>> > > > Receive email from OpenSRS telling me that Register.com
>> > > > has rejected the transfer.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > At this point, I have called Register.com again and we
>> > > > conferenced with Tucows. I've released, Register.com knows
>> > > > that (again), and Tucows has sent their requests (again)
>> > > > which will take 24 hours (again).
>> > > >
>> > > > Now, I'm an intelligent, technically savy individual (sr
>> > > > network engineer, sr systems engineer, and mid-level
>> > > > programmer). I even understand the bureaucracy game and the
>> > > > waiting involved. But here I have all the ducks in a row,
>> > > > all the I's dotted and T's crossed, everything lined up...
>> > > > BUT I am definitely aware that even though I have fulfilled
>> > > > all the bureaucratic obligations that Register.com may likely
>> > > > blow off the transfer again. As it is, during this little
>> > > > crack smoking episode, one of the domains has expired and
>> > > > Register.com is insisting that it must be paid for before
>> > > > they will transfer it now.
>> > > >
>> > > > I used to refer to the internet as the Wild West, but now I'm
>> > > > thinking that it's more and more like Chechnya...
>> > > >
>> > > > Does anyone know how I can pin down those little bugg... nice
>> > > > people and beat the... I mean, get them to do what they are
>> > > > bureaucratically required to do? I'd like to know so that
>> > > > when they jack around my clients, I know where the throat is
>> > > > (or any other body parts that are susceptible to a good firm
>squeeze).
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks in advance.
>> > > >
>> > > > Karyn
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
