It's not the case. I watched some of these policies being made back in '99. If I'd had the choice, I think I would have chosen a trip to the butcher to watch sausage being made. Your theory gives Verisign too much credit. They are masterful at the art of exploiting a political situation, but I have a hard time believing that they had the foresight to engineer the transfers fiasco back when the contracts were being put together. (That, and the fact that Verisign was Network Solutions back then ;)
Have they exploited a happy situation that Register.com invented? Absolutely. Is ICANN taking pay-offs to perpetuate it? C'mon Lars...X-Files got cancelled... -rwr ----- Original Message ----- From: "SpyProductions - Lars Hindsley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ross Wm. Rader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "discuss-list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:03 PM Subject: RE: Dancing with Register.com > Ross I luv ya like a brother, but you really gotta stop selling me this > ICANN crap. > > Here is why I don't buy ICANN is "doing a pretty good job actually..." > > In a nutshell, they gave VeriSign control over the transfer policy. They > clearly knew better. This was a deal that someone was paid off over and to > think otherwise is naive. With billions of dollars on the line, this is too > easy a deal for some back room negotiators not to broker. > > Ross, you are too close to forest to see the trees. From ground level, I > see this mighty clear. > > Lars > SpyProductions > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ross Wm. Rader > Sent: June 20, 2002 9:11 PM > To: Mike Allen; Karyn Ulriksen; discuss-list > Subject: Re: Dancing with Register.com > > > ICANN is doing a pretty good job actually. The biggest problem is that they > signed a bunch of contracts that don't make a whole lot of good sense two or > three years later. > > For instance, guess who is the enforcer of transfer policy? ICANN? Nope. > Verisign (well at least for dotCOM). Now you can imagine how easy it is to > get Verisign to get Verisign to do the right thing by the contract that they > signed with themselves. > > ICANN has a lot of areas where they need improvement, but in a lot of cases, > they really get the short end of an undeserved stick. Take the WLS for > example. I don't think that Verisign is really committed to the WLS as a > product in a major way - after all, they are a huge company and this doesn't > smell like a big revenue opportunity. So, with that in mind consider this. > This proposal effectively puts ICANN in a catch-22. If they approve the WLS, > the are furthering the VGRS monopoly, if they deny it, they are hindering > innovation and registry competition. While I do believe that it is there lot > to make a bunch of tough decisions, with the undue attention that they are > getting from Congress et al (largely as the result of pressure from a > well-paid lobby), they can't afford to make many "wrong" decisions right > now. > > Anyways, enough of the rant...back to the regularly schedule programming. > > Thanks, > > -rwr > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Karyn Ulriksen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "discuss-list" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:00 PM > Subject: Re: Dancing with Register.com > > > > Won't do any good. ICANN now stands for: ICANN'T - Verisign gets to do > > WHAT EVER THEY WANT. But, if ANYONE else breaks a rule, ICANN will be > right > > on them. ICANN in our opinion is the biggest cause for all the domain > scams > > and problems at this because they will not enforce their current rules, > and > > they will not change the rules on a on-going basis to fill the loop holes > > that they currently have. I will be curious to see in a few years who at > > ICANN is on the payroll at Verisign. It will eventually come out in the > wash > > ;o> > > > > > > -- > > Mike Allen, 4CheapDomains.Net > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.4CheapDomains.Net > > (812) 275-8425 - Office > > (815) 364-1278 - Fax > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karyn Ulriksen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Karyn Ulriksen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:26 PM > > Subject: RE: Dancing with Register.com > > > > > > > I thought these registrars had to answer to a central authority such as > > the > > > NSA. Actually, I hadn't thought about it much at all since they broke > up > > > the NSA/InterNic monopoly and I buried my head in a router or two... > > > > > > Where could I find the guidelines that these companies are suppose to > > follow > > > relative to domain registration services? ICANN? Who's running these > > > things? Spamford Wallace? > > > > > > K > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 3:51 PM > > > To: 'Karyn Ulriksen'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: Dancing with Register.com > > > > > > > > > In my experience, they among others, simply get to jack us around. > > > > > > I make virtually nothing on most of my transfers since there is so much > > > manual intervention involved. I only hope that these customers don't > > > transfer out to eNom or GoDaddy to save a few bucks now that I have > > > managed to wrangle them away from Joker, Register.com and Verisign... > > > > > > Remember that if you renew at Register.com and then transfer within 45 > > > days, you'll lose the renewal period you added to your domain... > > > > > > -t > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Karyn Ulriksen > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:18 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Dancing with Register.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Like most Tucows resellers, I'm currently trying to transfer > > > > my personal domains into the Tucows fold from another > > > > registrar. In this case Register.com. > > > > > > > > The unfolding interaction has been thus: > > > > > > > > Submit my Transfer requests thru our reseller interface > > > > to OpenSRS > > > > > > > > Recieve email from OpenSRS regarding my domains being > > > > transfered. > > > > > > > > Acknowledge OpenSRS email. > > > > > > > > <wait patiently for register.com ACK email which never arrives> > > > > > > > > Receive email from OpenSRS telling me that Register.com > > > > has rejected the transfer. > > > > > > > > Call Register.com regarding reject: > > > > > > > > Tech manually pushes ACK letter through system, > > > > but it doesn't arrive. > > > > > > > > Tech test email from her workstation as listed > > > > in Register.com contact > > > > info and it arrives Okay. > > > > > > > > Tech bypasses system and pushes ACK letter > > > > manually from workstation. > > > > > > > > I, simulataneously, acknowledge transfers from > > > > Register.com and resubmit > > > > requests with Tucows > > > > > > > > I wait for 24 hours as noted by Register.com > > > > > > > > <waiting patiently again> > > > > > > > > Receive email from OpenSRS telling me that Register.com > > > > has rejected the transfer. > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have called Register.com again and we > > > > conferenced with Tucows. I've released, Register.com knows > > > > that (again), and Tucows has sent their requests (again) > > > > which will take 24 hours (again). > > > > > > > > Now, I'm an intelligent, technically savy individual (sr > > > > network engineer, sr systems engineer, and mid-level > > > > programmer). I even understand the bureaucracy game and the > > > > waiting involved. But here I have all the ducks in a row, > > > > all the I's dotted and T's crossed, everything lined up... > > > > BUT I am definitely aware that even though I have fulfilled > > > > all the bureaucratic obligations that Register.com may likely > > > > blow off the transfer again. As it is, during this little > > > > crack smoking episode, one of the domains has expired and > > > > Register.com is insisting that it must be paid for before > > > > they will transfer it now. > > > > > > > > I used to refer to the internet as the Wild West, but now I'm > > > > thinking that it's more and more like Chechnya... > > > > > > > > Does anyone know how I can pin down those little bugg... nice > > > > people and beat the... I mean, get them to do what they are > > > > bureaucratically required to do? I'd like to know so that > > > > when they jack around my clients, I know where the throat is > > > > (or any other body parts that are susceptible to a good firm squeeze). > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > Karyn > > > > > > > > > > > >
