I don't disagree with the sentiment that there needs to be a better way to deal with situations such as the one that you describe, but claiming the domain name for sale isn't it. Chuck will kill me for saying this, but extending a subset of the registrar_hold functionality is likely the best way to address this - takes the name out of the zone, locks it for editing and makes sure that the customer gets the point. Counter-problem is that it might be prone to abuse, but I'm thinking that it would be "blatantly apparent" abuse that we could easily police and control...Comments?
-rwr ps - chuck - better start filling out that PCR ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John T. Jarrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ross Wm. Rader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 22:36 Moo! Subject: RE: Changing Admin Info after Refund > Ok, like I said I'm playing by the rules I agreed to. > > But let's take what you've said. You have a fellow bulk-buy > his domains from you, say ten at $200. Then he backs out so > you've paid at least 3% both ways to your merchant account > at this point - plus your time. > > Let's say he backs out because he found he could register > them for $7 somewhere else and save himself $130. > > If you then delete them, he CAN now register them and save > himself the money. > > You, however, are now out the $100 to OpenSRS plus the 6% > (say $12) to merchant accounts and by getting the domains > deleted, you will never see a penny of that $112 - not to > mention compensation for your time in good-faith registering > those names. > > That is not a fiscally responsible handling of the > situation! > > > At point in time does the registrar or the > > reseller have any claim of > > "ownership" to the domain name. > > Who ever does? That's a misnomer. And I'd state again, if I > paid for the domain name and they didn't, I should! If they > pull their payment, then they have pulled their right to > what that payment bought as well. > > John > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:ross@;tucows.com] > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:14 PM > > To: Donny Simonton; 'Charles Daminato'; 'Mark Petersen' > > Cc: 'John T. Jarrett'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > > > At point in time does the registrar or the > > reseller have any claim of > > "ownership" to the domain name. If it hasn't been > > paid, the "right" thing to > > do is delete it. The registrar has no superior > > claims to a domaim...we are > > also just "pass-throughs"...section 3.5 of your > > registrar accreditation > > agreement is pretty specific about this. Besides, > > you should know better > > than to let other registrars set a bad example > > for you. If this was the best > > way to proceed, then we'd all suck as much as > > Network Solutions - and be > > charging $35 a year for the privilege. > > > > Can't say that I like it much, but the rules are > > there to be played by - > > except by those that don't. > > > > -rwr > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donny Simonton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "'Charles Daminato'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > "'Mark Petersen'" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: "'John T. Jarrett'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 21:29 Moo! > > Subject: RE: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > > > > Chuck, > > > Don't want to make this any worse, but we do > > the same thing at > > > directNIC. If a customer charges back on us, > > they did not pay for the > > > domain, I did. Not only did I pay the > > registration fees, but I paid the > > > chargeback fees. So we take the domains and > > put them up for sale. If I > > > could I would redirect them to some horse porn > > site, but the owners > > > wouldn't let me. :) > > > > > > So I do understand why register.com and godaddy > > confiscate domains. > > > > > > Donny > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:owner-discuss- > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Daminato > > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:47 PM > > > > To: Mark Petersen > > > > Cc: John T. Jarrett; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > > > > > Precedence does not make it "right". I don't > > fully understand the > > > > legalities of it (Ross would have to explain > > - Ross?), but I > > > > believe Register does not take control of the > > domain (i.e. they > > > > don't assume ownership and sell to soemone > > else). They simply > > > > "hold" it, if it's not paid it stays on hold > > until the day it > > > > expires (then it goes up for deletion) > > > > > > > > Charles Daminato > > > > TUCOWS Product Manager > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Mark Petersen wrote: > > > > > > > > > Stand on precedence. Register.Com is > > allowed to seize domains on a > > > daily > > > > > basis. > > > > > The routinely change registrants WHOIS > > information from whatever > > > *was* > > > > there > > > > > to: > > > > > > > > > > register.com > > > > > Unpaid Names Department-R > > > > > 575 Eighth Avenue > > > > > New York, NY 10018 > > > > > US > > > > > Phone: 212-798-9200 > > > > > Fax..: 212-594-9876 > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > If they can do it, why shouldn't we be able to? > > > > > It's supposed to be a level playing field, right? > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > Mark Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Planet Nic http://www.planet-nic.com > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "John T. Jarrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:45 PM > > > > > Subject: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul over in compliance says it is > > against ICANN reg's for > > > > > > me to change admin info after a customer > > refunds on the > > > > > > domain name registration: > > > > > > > > > > > > "I hate to tell you this but you are not > > allowed to change > > > > > > the whois information - ICANN rules. It > > appears as though > > > > > > you are trying to take away someone > > else's property." > > > > > > > > > > > > Frankly, I couldn't care less how it > > looks. I've offered the > > > > > > refund codes from the merchant account > > holder LinkPoint > > > > > > themselves so there's proof behind appearances. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can y'all point me to what he's talking > > to? I can't find it > > > > > > in the UDRP or the Reg Agreement. I don't > > mind complying > > > > > > with written rules if I can find them, > > but I'd rather not > > > > > > let this woman steal three domain name > > registrations if I > > > > > > don't have to! > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > John > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
