We are investigating this and will have an answer shortly from NeuStar.

Thanks,

Tom Katsiroubas
TLDs Product Manager
Tucows Inc. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:owner-discuss-list@;opensrs.org]On Behalf Of Swerve
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:29 AM
To: Swerve; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: .CN or Chinese Gov. censored domains.


Nothing like replying to yourself.
Anyhow, what's the financial side of having a domain rejected?
Does opensrs provide a complete refund?  I hope that's the case.

If not, then who pays the piper on a rejected domain?

Swerve

> From: Swerve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:03:01 -0500
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Derek J. Balling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: .CN or Chinese Gov. censored domains.
>
> What's our wholesale cost as opensr resellers?
>
> Here's what i pulled from the link that Tom provided.  info below.
>
> here's a tid bit.
>
> -------
> " The Internet Keyword registered and used by anyone shall not include
such
> information as follows:
>
> 5. that disperses rumor, disturbs the social order, or undermines the
social
> stability; "
> -------
>
> Oh, that's lovely.  So if i register a domain that makes references to the
> torture that's going on right Now in Tibet by the Chinese Army and secret
> police, my domain could be taken back because they construe that
information
> as disturbing their Fascist policies in Tibet (disturb the social order.)
>
> http://www.drapchi14.org
> http://www.Tibetinfo.Net
>
> *Is the Chinese gov. gonna also have a say whether the actual content of
the
> site is in violation of their rules and be allowed to kill a domain if
they
> don't like the content?
>
> Did Tucows consider the political/personal ramifications of offering up
these
> domains?  By asking that question, i am not suggesting that it's a good or
bad
> thing to offer these for sale... i gotta think about that one.
>
> Swerve
>
>
>
> http://www.cnnic.net.cn/cnaddr/e-4.shtml
>
> 5. The Internet Keyword registered and used by anyone shall not include
such
> information as follows:
>
> 1)    that is against the basic principles prescribed in the constitution;
> 2)    that will jeopardize national security, divulge a state secrete,
subvert
> the national regime or demolish the unification of the country;
> 3)    that will blemish the honor and interests of the country;
> 4)    that instigates hatred or discrimination between various
nationalities
> or disrupts the unity of nationalities;
> 5)    that violates the religious policy of the nation, and blazons forth
> heresy and superstition;
> 6)    that disperses rumor, disturbs the social order, or undermines the
> social stability;
> 7)    that spreads messages concerning obscenity, eroticism, gambling,
> violence, murder and horror, or that abets crime;
> 8)    that insult or slander others, or that infringes upon the legal
rights
> of others;
> 9)    that contains contents banned by the law or administrative
regulations.
>
>
>> From: "Tom Katsiroubas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:35:52 -0500
>> To: "Swerve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Derek J. Balling"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: RE: [Fwd: OpenSRS Live Reseller Update - 11/11/02]
>>
>> As far as we know, the Chinese government will censor a number of domain
>> names that are considered offensive. Explanation of this can be found at:
>> http://www.cnnic.net.cn/cnaddr/e-4.shtml
>>
>> Also, there are a number of reserved names that include names of local
>> Chinese colleges, well-known trademarks, Chinese government departments.
>> Again, more info can be found at
http://www.cnnic.net.cn/cnaddr/e-7.shtml.
>>
>> Besides that, registrations are considered open to anyone in the world,
with
>> no local presence required.
>>
>> Tom Katsiroubas
>> TLDs Product Manager
>> Tucows Inc. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:owner-discuss-list@;opensrs.org]On Behalf Of Swerve
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:31 AM
>> To: Derek J. Balling; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: [Fwd: OpenSRS Live Reseller Update - 11/11/02]
>>
>>
>> Anyone know if the Chinese gov't. will be censoring or restricting
>> registrations?
>>
>>
>>> From: "Derek J. Balling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 06:18:43 -0500
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: Re: [Fwd: OpenSRS Live Reseller Update - 11/11/02]
>>>
>>>>> 1. Tucows to offer .cn registrations
>>>>> -----------------
>>>>> .cn domain names will be available for registrations worldwide at
>>>>> the third level (com.cn, net.cn, org.cn).  It is expected that a
>>>>
>>>> Oh my....
>>>
>>> Of course, the real motivations here are obvious.... *.cn is blocked in
>>> a number of places, either for "ethical" reasons for its political
>>> practices, or as an attempt to stem the flow of spam from East Asia. By
>>> making it available worldwide, China is hoping to increase the
>>> collateral-damage aspects of such, while at the same time generate
>>> revenue.
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>

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