I was able to obtain some information regarding CNNIC and refunds on deleted names.
According to NeuStar, CNNIC will not refund names deleted under Article 19 therefore TUCOWS is, unfortunately, unable to do so. Therefore, I suggest we do what we can to make sure that Registrants are aware that if they choose an �offensive� name, as defined in Article 19 http://www.cnnic.net.cn/ruler/20.shtml, they risk having their domain deleted with no refund. As for offensive content connected to a domain name i.e. rollthedice.com.cn and it promotes gambling, the domain may not be delete by CNNIC, but just have its IP blocked from access in China. Ultimately it�s the Registry�s choice on this and I would refer Registrants to Article 19. I know it sounds like we're walking a fine line, but I don�t expect CNNIC to be able to monitor every domain name and it�s associated content. If a site generates a lot of attention, it may be reviewed with respect to Article 19. Only then will it be considered for deletion. Tom Katsiroubas TLDs Product Manager Tucows Inc. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-discuss-list@;opensrs.org]On Behalf Of Tom Katsiroubas Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:21 PM To: Swerve; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: .CN or Chinese Gov. censored domains. We are investigating this and will have an answer shortly from NeuStar. Thanks, Tom Katsiroubas TLDs Product Manager Tucows Inc. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-discuss-list@;opensrs.org]On Behalf Of Swerve Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:29 AM To: Swerve; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: .CN or Chinese Gov. censored domains. Nothing like replying to yourself. Anyhow, what's the financial side of having a domain rejected? Does opensrs provide a complete refund? I hope that's the case. If not, then who pays the piper on a rejected domain? Swerve > From: Swerve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:03:01 -0500 > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Derek J. Balling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: .CN or Chinese Gov. censored domains. > > What's our wholesale cost as opensr resellers? > > Here's what i pulled from the link that Tom provided. info below. > > here's a tid bit. > > ------- > " The Internet Keyword registered and used by anyone shall not include such > information as follows: > > 5. that disperses rumor, disturbs the social order, or undermines the social > stability; " > ------- > > Oh, that's lovely. So if i register a domain that makes references to the > torture that's going on right Now in Tibet by the Chinese Army and secret > police, my domain could be taken back because they construe that information > as disturbing their Fascist policies in Tibet (disturb the social order.) > > http://www.drapchi14.org > http://www.Tibetinfo.Net > > *Is the Chinese gov. gonna also have a say whether the actual content of the > site is in violation of their rules and be allowed to kill a domain if they > don't like the content? > > Did Tucows consider the political/personal ramifications of offering up these > domains? By asking that question, i am not suggesting that it's a good or bad > thing to offer these for sale... i gotta think about that one. > > Swerve > > > > http://www.cnnic.net.cn/cnaddr/e-4.shtml > > 5. The Internet Keyword registered and used by anyone shall not include such > information as follows: > > 1) that is against the basic principles prescribed in the constitution; > 2) that will jeopardize national security, divulge a state secrete, subvert > the national regime or demolish the unification of the country; > 3) that will blemish the honor and interests of the country; > 4) that instigates hatred or discrimination between various nationalities > or disrupts the unity of nationalities; > 5) that violates the religious policy of the nation, and blazons forth > heresy and superstition; > 6) that disperses rumor, disturbs the social order, or undermines the > social stability; > 7) that spreads messages concerning obscenity, eroticism, gambling, > violence, murder and horror, or that abets crime; > 8) that insult or slander others, or that infringes upon the legal rights > of others; > 9) that contains contents banned by the law or administrative regulations. > > >> From: "Tom Katsiroubas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:35:52 -0500 >> To: "Swerve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Derek J. Balling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: RE: [Fwd: OpenSRS Live Reseller Update - 11/11/02] >> >> As far as we know, the Chinese government will censor a number of domain >> names that are considered offensive. Explanation of this can be found at: >> http://www.cnnic.net.cn/cnaddr/e-4.shtml >> >> Also, there are a number of reserved names that include names of local >> Chinese colleges, well-known trademarks, Chinese government departments. >> Again, more info can be found at http://www.cnnic.net.cn/cnaddr/e-7.shtml. >> >> Besides that, registrations are considered open to anyone in the world, with >> no local presence required. >> >> Tom Katsiroubas >> TLDs Product Manager >> Tucows Inc. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:owner-discuss-list@;opensrs.org]On Behalf Of Swerve >> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:31 AM >> To: Derek J. Balling; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: [Fwd: OpenSRS Live Reseller Update - 11/11/02] >> >> >> Anyone know if the Chinese gov't. will be censoring or restricting >> registrations? >> >> >>> From: "Derek J. Balling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 06:18:43 -0500 >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: Re: [Fwd: OpenSRS Live Reseller Update - 11/11/02] >>> >>>>> 1. Tucows to offer .cn registrations >>>>> ----------------- >>>>> .cn domain names will be available for registrations worldwide at >>>>> the third level (com.cn, net.cn, org.cn). It is expected that a >>>> >>>> Oh my.... >>> >>> Of course, the real motivations here are obvious.... *.cn is blocked in >>> a number of places, either for "ethical" reasons for its political >>> practices, or as an attempt to stem the flow of spam from East Asia. By >>> making it available worldwide, China is hoping to increase the >>> collateral-damage aspects of such, while at the same time generate >>> revenue. >>> >>> D >>> >>
