For several years now this "topic" has been subject of discussion here. 

For several years people have tried to make you understand things and
failed.

Can you please explain why on earth you want to contact the owner of a
domain?

Are you really so ignorant that you are sending messages like "are you
aware that you are spamming?" to domain owners???

I'll say it once more, in this instance (and only on this topic and in
this instance) Ross is on the same wavelength as I am. The only correct
one, nobody but the registrar has ANY buisiness with who owns the
domain, keeping the current whois "intact" and or replacing it with the
VGRS sponsored "crisp" solution is absolute nonsense aimed at serving
the IP community and spammers.

Abel 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger 
> B.A. Klorese
> Sent: 10 April 2004 19:07
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OpenSRS Live Reseller Update [Domains] - 08/04/2004
> 
> 
> Ross Wm. Rader wrote:
> 
> > On 4/10/2004 12:57 PM Roger B.A. Klorese noted that:
> > 
> >> And we contact the people responsible for domains how?
> > 
> > 
> > Leave nameserver and registrar in the whois record and add RIR 
> > referral
> > information. This gets you something that looks like this...
> > 
> >  > whois byte.org
> > 
> > Domain ID:D78859576-LROR
> > Domain Name:BYTE.ORG
> > Name Server:207.178.248.2
> > Name Server:207.178.248.3
> > Sponsoring Registrar:R11-LROR
> > RIR NS Referral:
> > 
> http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?>
queryinput=!%20NET-207-178-248-0-1
> > 
> > 
> > ...or similar. It really gives you all the contact information you 
> > need.
> > 
> 
> But that *forces* me to go to someone higher up the food chain, even 
> when it's not specifically desired by the domain owner.  That hassle 
> turns a casual communication into a superhuman effort, 
> raising the bar 
> so high that, for instance, I'm unlikely to send the "are you 
> aware one 
> of your users is spamming?" mail before just putting a block 
> in place...
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