+1. Right, there are other colors than black and white in the world. Nevertheless, sometimes it's necessary to force a bit, to reach the targets. And thanks, for all those have been working and work in the back/front to push OOo ahead.
Miguel Ángel Ríos On 18/10/10 21:32, Ramon Sole wrote: > Hello *, > > maybe the problem is OOo has the fear that TDF people with > responsabilities in OOo use the OOo resources in favor of TDF? > > I'm not talking about Charles, but i.e in the Spanish Communitiy the > Project Leader has closed the subscription to the OOo spanish mailing > lists with the label "Migrating lists to TDF", and you can only easily > subscribe to the TDF lists. What would you do if you were in charge of > the OOo project after such things? > I expect the most of TDF, but we should understand the position of the > OOo leader and other people in Oracle. > > And please, guys, let's stop calling the people that didn't decide to > move to TDF the "Oracle bad guys". There's a lot of people in OOo that > doesn't work for Oracle. And I met some of the "Oracle bad guys" during > those years and they're nice guys. Furthermore, some of them are the > true builders of what OpenOffice and even LibreOffice is now. They > deserve, at least, my respect. And they're need as most of us a salary > to live, salary payed before by Sun but now payed by Oracle. > > Best Greetings, > > Ra > > Charles-H. Schulz wrote: >> Hello Marco, >> >> Le Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:58:14 +0200, >> "M. Fioretti" <[email protected]> a écrit : >> >>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 12:00:56 PM +0200, Charles-H. Schulz >>> ([email protected]) wrote: >>> >>>> On the other hand, I and others do not tolerate being "fired" by >>>> Oracle. Resigning is one thing, being kicked out is another one. >>>> Resigning is a logical consequence of our actions that will actually >>>> happen soon, being kicked out and accepting it means we acknowledge >>>> that Oracle has the right of life and death over the OOo >>>> community. Good thing we went to open the Document Foundation then! >>> Charles, >>> >>> reading stuff like this doesn't make me feel like I'm being treated >>> like an adult. >>> >>> Here's what I actually read in the paragraph I quoted: >>> >>> You will not acknowledge that you won't accept anymore the fact >>> that Oracle has right of life and death over the OOo community >>> now, by "being kicked out and accepting it". Because you've >>> already acknowledged that you wouldn't accept that right in the >>> very moment when you announced TDF, by creating it. >>> >>> You wanted since the beginning Oracle to fire you, to prove >>> that they are indeed tyrants (which they proved quite well, >>> IMHO) >>> >>> And this is the only reason why such a logical consequence of >>> your action as resigning didn't happen simultaneously to the >>> announcement of TDF. I honestly can't imagine any other >>> obstacle. >>> >>> If I completely misunderstood or missed something, please explain. In >>> any case, as far as I am concerned none of the above means that >>> creating TDF was wrong or that I approve what Oracle did. I am just >>> saying that this side of the whole messy matter doesn't seem to have >>> been managed properly, and that statements like the one above are, >>> uhm, a bit weak? >> What I may have not written clearly, is 2 things: >> -first and foremost we always kept the door open for Oracle. If we had >> wanted to do a fork, we would have indeed resigned almost on the same >> day I think. Now the behaviour of Oracle being what it is, the >> situation is being clarified, so to speak. >> -in French we say that there is "l'art et la manière". You can send me >> a private message, as an Oracle employee, asking me : "so Charles, when >> are you guys going away?" but if you send a public message kicking us >> out on vague grounds, ignoring our very own guidelines, that's very >> different. >> >> So of course, I'm not trying to say that I'm surprised that such >> consequences of our action happen, and I was not trying to be >> disingenuous or not treating you like an adult in my message. But what >> I'm saying is that we were surprised by the tone, the way, the >> brutality of Oracle's answer, which seems unnecessary, and too early. >> We have not even started to "talk" and we're being thrown out? Again, >> our doors are open, but Oracle, through that move, does not seem to be >> interested and is behaving in a rude and violent way. >> Also of interest: I am very surprised that Oracle, or rather the >> Oracle's employees contributing to OOo, are chasing us out as if we >> were 5 idiots. Let's not talk numbers here, but let's just say that it >> would be a conservative estimate if I said that 80 percent of the NLC >> and the QA project (and I'm not talking about the others) are moving to >> TDF. So Oracle has either become blind on what's going on on their >> mailing lists, bugtrackers and commits or it is effectively saying: we >> don't acknowledge that our community is leaving (and yes, there are and >> will always be exceptions). That, to me, is a failure, it's a community >> "management" failure. >> >> Hope that helps, >> >> Charles. >> >> -- E-mail to [email protected] for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
