Hello Andre, * I think my point is simple, agree or disagree:
- if you try to change things from inside and you're inside, fair play - if you fork a project becasuse you don't want/feel able to change things form inside and you leave, fair play - if you fork a project becasuse you don't want/feel able to change things form inside but you intend to keep ruling in the original project, unfair play/looking for troubles You can volunteer both projects if you don't wish to be in the decision bodies, of course. Best Greetings, Ra PS: BTW, as Andre wrote "the discussion seems to be a waste of time". Agree. No more messages about that from my side. In some way, you feel you have to resign or you feel you're the right to keep. Andre Schnabel wrote: > Hi Ramon, * > >> Von: Ramon Sole <[email protected]> > >>> I would seriously reconsider the way I deal with my volunteer >> communities. >> >> Agree. And that's they're doing exactly. They're asking TDF involved >> people to resign from their OOo responsabilities. Nobody asked to nobody >> to leave the Ooo Community. They're just asking to resign from official >> responsabilities. > > At the end it comes somehow down to the point that those who try to > change things should not take represantative positions within OOo - > no matter how much they contributed to OOo. Well ... if someone likes > to stay on this position, I cannot change this - but it is not my way > to handle things. > > The really strange thing is that people from Oracle often tell, that > we "fixed the new rules and don't want to have Oracle with us". (You > wrote something similar in another mail, afair). But this is not true - > we stick to our committment to merit. And merit grows from contributions. > Just look at the starting notes for "How to become member at TDF" [1] - > contributions to OOo should definately qualify as member of TDF, so each > Oracle developer would qualify. I told Oracle developers that this > discussion will start on monday and that they are welcome to join the > discussion - seems nobody is interested. > > I've been asked at the German Lists (Oracle developers discussed heavily > on this list within the last two weeks), if we would really stick to > merit, if oracle is going to join. I pointed to the bylaws of the interim > steering committe [2] and made clear, that there is one seat open > and that I'd be happy to get someone from Oracle in the SC. I never > got an answer on this. Instead Oracle continues in other threads to claim > that "we don't want them". > > > After all, the discussion seems to be a waste of time. TDF is not allowed > to have discussions about a change at OOo mailing lists (had some strong > "advices" on this already), but Oracle is not going to join the discussions > here at TDF. Indeed - I would be happy if I'd be proofen wrong and > we get a constructive discssion with Oracle. > > regards, > > André > > > [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership > [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee -- E-mail to [email protected] for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
