Victor,
On 4/12/17 10:10 AM, Victor Belov wrote:
With all my support for this idea (penalties for those trying to
disturb Internet operations for whatever reasons, governments or not)
I don’t think RIRs are the right entity to make decisions if somebody
violates human rights.
There are plenty of entities in the world in charge of making such
decisions already, efficient or not. So if we really want to add
something of that kind to RIR rules, it should be straight forward
technical wise, not political wise or human rights wise, or whatever
else wise…
Let's talk in simpler way - if government, for any reasons, will
shutdown Internet in their country, then it means these guys don't need
it and, thus, don't need any resources. Of course, RIR isn't right place
to make a decision about human rights violation, but RIR has more
precise and technical metrics to decide whether to continue or
discontinue operations.
The only I'd suggest to proposal is to support penalties during proposed
time OR government's lifetime, i.e. if government changed and then
abolished shutdown, there is no need to continue sanctions.
Best regards,
Victor Belov
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Volodymyr Litovka <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Dmitry,
your position on this topic is clear. Since government of Russia,
actually, is closest to such "shutdown" scenario, you will not
support sanctions for this.
But this proposal is about how to deal with *attack**s*. There
are, actually, three choices: ignore, be deeply concerned and
penalize. Last years from real world's life shown what happen if
1st and 2nd options were chosen.
In the case we're discussing now, if RIRs think that somebody
violates human rights (even if local government don't think so) or
attacks Internet in any other way, RIRs need to actively react on
this. Actually, we all need to defend this territory as much as we
can and there is no place for inactivity and passive observation.
Thanks.
On 4/12/17 1:31 AM, Dmitry Burkov wrote:
We need to stay absolutely neutral and leave politics to others
On 4/11/17 10:47 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a very
interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face of
what I consider human rights abuses.
Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they
stand and fight for the rights of the users and the members.
On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это
против конкретных правительств.
вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>:
Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good
luck -
очень плохая идея и то - что
я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже)
On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил.
Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01
<https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01>
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the
order of a government that is either total or partial:
For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown
– AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the
country
This also applies to all government owned entities and
entities that have direct provable relationships with said
government.
In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall
not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the
entities above.
All sub-allocations of space within said country involving
the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of
12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such
shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the
aforementioned
entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities
shall occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
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