Victor, if you read the proposal carefully - there is nothing about a human rights. It is about limiting the Internet access only.
If some goverment limit the Internet - Internet will limit that goverment. Seems legit. On 12.04.17 10:10, Victor Belov wrote: > Volodymyr, > > With all my support for this idea (penalties for those trying to disturb > Internet operations for whatever reasons, governments or not) I don’t > think RIRs are the right entity to make decisions if somebody violates > human rights. > There are plenty of entities in the world in charge of making such > decisions already, efficient or not. So if we really want to add > something of that kind to RIR rules, it should be straight forward > technical wise, not political wise or human rights wise, or whatever > else wise… > > Best regards, > Victor Belov > > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Volodymyr Litovka <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Dmitry, > > your position on this topic is clear. Since government of Russia, > actually, is closest to such "shutdown" scenario, you will not > support sanctions for this. > > But this proposal is about how to deal with *attack**s*. There are, > actually, three choices: ignore, be deeply concerned and penalize. > Last years from real world's life shown what happen if 1st and 2nd > options were chosen. > > In the case we're discussing now, if RIRs think that somebody > violates human rights (even if local government don't think so) or > attacks Internet in any other way, RIRs need to actively react on > this. Actually, we all need to defend this territory as much as we > can and there is no place for inactivity and passive observation. > > Thanks. > > On 4/12/17 1:31 AM, Dmitry Burkov wrote: >> We need to stay absolutely neutral and leave politics to others >> >> >> On 4/11/17 10:47 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote: >>> Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a very >>> interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face of >>> what I consider human rights abuses. >>> Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they >>> stand and fight for the rights of the users and the members. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan <[email protected]> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это >>>> против конкретных правительств. >>>> >>>> >>>> вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov <[email protected]> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>: >>>> Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good >>>> luck - >>>> очень плохая идея и то - что >>>> >>>> я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote: >>>>> Всем привет! >>>>> >>>>> В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. >>>>> Необычное. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01 >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the >>>>> order of a government that is either total or partial: >>>>> For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown >>>>> – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the >>>>> country >>>>> This also applies to all government owned entities and >>>>> entities that have direct provable relationships with said >>>>> government. >>>>> In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall >>>>> not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the >>>>> entities above. >>>>> All sub-allocations of space within said country involving >>>>> the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 >>>>> months. >>>>> >>>>> 13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such >>>>> shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the >>>>> aforementioned >>>>> entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities >>>>> shall occur for a period of 5 years. >>>>> >>>>> Ждем реакции сообщества. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> Sergey Myasoedov >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> discuss mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss> > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list [email protected] https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
