I have asked SEVERAL times, I have followed procedure, and I KEEP getting these e-mails! PLEASE REMOVE ME!
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Re: New Girl Talk (Elizabeth Stark) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:50:35 -0400 > From: "Elizabeth Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk > To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in > particular" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that > would be a > case... > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay >> for it. >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Elizabeth Stark wrote: >>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out >>>> from the >>>> infringing work itself. >>> >>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail. >>> >>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/ >>> >>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will >>> assume that >>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an >>> infringing work. >>> >>> - Rob. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/ > 20080702/76399541/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:51:28 -0400 > From: "Fred Benenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk > To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in > particular" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I assume you mean sued by the original samplee, not GT > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that >> would be a >> case... >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay >>> for it. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote: >>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out >>>>> from the >>>>> infringing work itself. >>>> >>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail. >>>> >>>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/ >>>> >>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will >>>> assume that >>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an >>>> infringing work. >>>> >>>> - Rob. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/ > 20080702/7b032cf6/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:52:53 -0400 > From: "Elizabeth Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk > To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in > particular" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Exactly. > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Fred Benenson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> I assume you mean sued by the original samplee, not GT >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that >>> would be >>> a case... >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay >>>> for it. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote: >>>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out >>>>>> from the >>>>>> infringing work itself. >>>>> >>>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail. >>>>> >>>>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/ >>>>> >>>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will >>>>> assume that >>>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an >>>>> infringing work. >>>>> >>>>> - Rob. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/ > 20080702/330489a4/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:21:55 -0700 > From: "Brian Rowe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk > To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in > particular" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am willing to donate to the GT legal defense fund. > > Fair use is tough defense especially when the work is used > commercially and > the work is not a direct parody. I am also not sure one can have a > copyright > interest in an unauthorized derivative work. The legal questions are > fascinating and their is a need to enable this type of creative > work either > through legislation or better fair use precedents. > > The album is great! > > Brian > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that >> would be a >> case... >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay >>> for it. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote: >>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out >>>>> from the >>>>> infringing work itself. >>>> >>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail. >>>> >>>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/ >>>> >>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will >>>> assume that >>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an >>>> infringing work. >>>> >>>> - Rob. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > > > -- > Brian Rowe > Freedom for IP > (206) 335-8577 (Cell) > > Access To Justice Technology Principles > www.ATJWeb.org > > Freedom for IP > www.FreedomforIP.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/ > 20080702/03f7d860/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:25:08 -0400 > From: "Elizabeth Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk > To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in > particular" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> >> I am also not sure one can have a copyright interest in an >> unauthorized >> derivative work. > > > Yeah, the caselaw that I recall says that you don't..although we have > discussed hypotheticals in law school where when the infringing > part is so > separate from the rest of the work that there may still be a > copyright in > the rest of it (imagine a 3 second sample once during a 10 minute > song.) > This is not the case here. > > But what that means is GT has no copyright of his own. Fascinating.. > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Brian Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> I am willing to donate to the GT legal defense fund. >> >> Fair use is tough defense especially when the work is used >> commercially and >> the work is not a direct parody. I am also not sure one can have a >> copyright >> interest in an unauthorized derivative work. The legal questions are >> fascinating and their is a need to enable this type of creative >> work either >> through legislation or better fair use precedents. >> >> The album is great! >> >> Brian >> >> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that >>> would be >>> a case... >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay >>>> for it. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote: >>>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out >>>>>> from the >>>>>> infringing work itself. >>>>> >>>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail. >>>>> >>>>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/ >>>>> >>>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will >>>>> assume that >>>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an >>>>> infringing work. >>>>> >>>>> - Rob. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Rowe >> Freedom for IP >> (206) 335-8577 (Cell) >> >> Access To Justice Technology Principles >> www.ATJWeb.org >> >> Freedom for IP >> www.FreedomforIP.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20080702/ > a013e6ec/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > End of Discuss Digest, Vol 19, Issue 3 > ************************************** _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
