-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At the bottom of *every single email* you receive from this list, there is a link with instructions on how to remove yourself. You also receive a monthly reminder with your password, login information, and unsubscription instructions. Please don't inconvenience the list by sending your mal-formed request to several hundred individuals who have no power to do anything about it. Ringo Kamens Eric Beck wrote: > I have asked SEVERAL times, I have followed procedure, and I KEEP > getting these e-mails! 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Re: New Girl Talk (Elizabeth Stark) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:50:35 -0400 >> From: "Elizabeth Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk >> To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in >> particular" <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that >> would be a >> case... >> >> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay >>> for it. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote: >>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out >>>>> from the >>>>> infringing work itself. >>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail. >>>> >>>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/ >>>> >>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will >>>> assume that >>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an >>>> infringing work. >>>> >>>> - Rob. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: http://freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/ >> 20080702/76399541/attachment-0001.htm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:51:28 -0400 >> From: "Fred Benenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk >> To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in >> particular" <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I assume you mean sued by the original samplee, not GT >> >> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that >>> would be a >>> case... >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay >>>> for it. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote: >>>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out >>>>>> from the >>>>>> infringing work itself. >>>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail. >>>>> >>>>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/ >>>>> >>>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will >>>>> assume that >>>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an >>>>> infringing work. >>>>> >>>>> - Rob. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: http://freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/ >> 20080702/7b032cf6/attachment-0001.htm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:52:53 -0400 >> From: "Elizabeth Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk >> To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in >> particular" <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Exactly. >> >> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Fred Benenson >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> I assume you mean sued by the original samplee, not GT >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that >>>> would be >>>> a case... >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay >>>>> for it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote: >>>>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out >>>>>>> from the >>>>>>> infringing work itself. >>>>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/ >>>>>> >>>>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will >>>>>> assume that >>>>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an >>>>>> infringing work. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Rob. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: http://freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/ >> 20080702/330489a4/attachment-0001.htm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:21:55 -0700 >> From: "Brian Rowe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk >> To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in >> particular" <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I am willing to donate to the GT legal defense fund. >> >> Fair use is tough defense especially when the work is used >> commercially and >> the work is not a direct parody. I am also not sure one can have a >> copyright >> interest in an unauthorized derivative work. The legal questions are >> fascinating and their is a need to enable this type of creative >> work either >> through legislation or better fair use precedents. >> >> The album is great! >> >> Brian >> >> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that >>> would be a >>> case... >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay >>>> for it. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote: >>>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out >>>>>> from the >>>>>> infringing work itself. >>>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail. >>>>> >>>>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/ >>>>> >>>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will >>>>> assume that >>>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an >>>>> infringing work. >>>>> >>>>> - Rob. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Brian Rowe >> Freedom for IP >> (206) 335-8577 (Cell) >> >> Access To Justice Technology Principles >> www.ATJWeb.org >> >> Freedom for IP >> www.FreedomforIP.org >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: http://freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/ >> 20080702/03f7d860/attachment-0001.htm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:25:08 -0400 >> From: "Elizabeth Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk >> To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in >> particular" <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >>> I am also not sure one can have a copyright interest in an >>> unauthorized >>> derivative work. >> >> Yeah, the caselaw that I recall says that you don't..although we have >> discussed hypotheticals in law school where when the infringing >> part is so >> separate from the rest of the work that there may still be a >> copyright in >> the rest of it (imagine a 3 second sample once during a 10 minute >> song.) >> This is not the case here. >> >> But what that means is GT has no copyright of his own. Fascinating.. >> >> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Brian Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> I am willing to donate to the GT legal defense fund. >>> >>> Fair use is tough defense especially when the work is used >>> commercially and >>> the work is not a direct parody. I am also not sure one can have a >>> copyright >>> interest in an unauthorized derivative work. The legal questions are >>> fascinating and their is a need to enable this type of creative >>> work either >>> through legislation or better fair use precedents. >>> >>> The album is great! >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that >>>> would be >>>> a case... >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay >>>>> for it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote: >>>>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out >>>>>>> from the >>>>>>> infringing work itself. >>>>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/ >>>>>> >>>>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will >>>>>> assume that >>>>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an >>>>>> infringing work. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Rob. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Rowe >>> Freedom for IP >>> (206) 335-8577 (Cell) >>> >>> Access To Justice Technology Principles >>> www.ATJWeb.org >>> >>> Freedom for IP >>> www.FreedomforIP.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: http://freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20080702/ >> a013e6ec/attachment.htm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> End of Discuss Digest, Vol 19, Issue 3 >> ************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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