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http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss Best, Elizabeth On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Eric Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have asked SEVERAL times, I have followed procedure, and I KEEP > getting these e-mails! PLEASE REMOVE ME! > > > On Jul 2, 2008, at 3:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Send Discuss mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Discuss digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: New Girl Talk (Elizabeth Stark) > > 2. Re: New Girl Talk (Fred Benenson) > > 3. Re: New Girl Talk (Elizabeth Stark) > > 4. Re: New Girl Talk (Brian Rowe) > > 5. Re: New Girl Talk (Elizabeth Stark) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:50:35 -0400 > > From: "Elizabeth Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk > > To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in > > particular" <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that > > would be a > > case... > > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay > >> for it. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> Elizabeth Stark wrote: > >>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out > >>>> from the > >>>> infringing work itself. > >>> > >>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail. > >>> > >>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/ > >>> > >>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will > >>> assume that > >>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an > >>> infringing work. > >>> > >>> - Rob. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Discuss mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: http://freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/ > > 20080702/76399541/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:51:28 -0400 > > From: "Fred Benenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk > > To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in > > particular" <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > I assume you mean sued by the original samplee, not GT > > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that > >> would be a > >> case... > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay > >>> for it. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote: > >>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out > >>>>> from the > >>>>> infringing work itself. > >>>> > >>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail. > >>>> > >>>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/ > >>>> > >>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will > >>>> assume that > >>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an > >>>> infringing work. > >>>> > >>>> - Rob. > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Discuss mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Discuss mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: http://freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/ > > 20080702/7b032cf6/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:52:53 -0400 > > From: "Elizabeth Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk > > To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in > > particular" <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Exactly. > > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Fred Benenson > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> I assume you mean sued by the original samplee, not GT > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that > >>> would be > >>> a case... > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay > >>>> for it. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote: > >>>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out > >>>>>> from the > >>>>>> infringing work itself. > >>>>> > >>>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail. > >>>>> > >>>>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/ > >>>>> > >>>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will > >>>>> assume that > >>>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an > >>>>> infringing work. > >>>>> > >>>>> - Rob. > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Discuss mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Discuss mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Discuss mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: http://freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/ > > 20080702/330489a4/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:21:55 -0700 > > From: "Brian Rowe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk > > To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in > > particular" <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > I am willing to donate to the GT legal defense fund. > > > > Fair use is tough defense especially when the work is used > > commercially and > > the work is not a direct parody. I am also not sure one can have a > > copyright > > interest in an unauthorized derivative work. The legal questions are > > fascinating and their is a need to enable this type of creative > > work either > > through legislation or better fair use precedents. > > > > The album is great! > > > > Brian > > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that > >> would be a > >> case... > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay > >>> for it. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote: > >>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out > >>>>> from the > >>>>> infringing work itself. > >>>> > >>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail. > >>>> > >>>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/ > >>>> > >>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will > >>>> assume that > >>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an > >>>> infringing work. > >>>> > >>>> - Rob. > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Discuss mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Discuss mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Brian Rowe > > Freedom for IP > > (206) 335-8577 (Cell) > > > > Access To Justice Technology Principles > > www.ATJWeb.org > > > > Freedom for IP > > www.FreedomforIP.org > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: http://freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/ > > 20080702/03f7d860/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:25:08 -0400 > > From: "Elizabeth Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk > > To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in > > particular" <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >> > >> I am also not sure one can have a copyright interest in an > >> unauthorized > >> derivative work. > > > > > > Yeah, the caselaw that I recall says that you don't..although we have > > discussed hypotheticals in law school where when the infringing > > part is so > > separate from the rest of the work that there may still be a > > copyright in > > the rest of it (imagine a 3 second sample once during a 10 minute > > song.) > > This is not the case here. > > > > But what that means is GT has no copyright of his own. Fascinating.. > > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Brian Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> I am willing to donate to the GT legal defense fund. > >> > >> Fair use is tough defense especially when the work is used > >> commercially and > >> the work is not a direct parody. I am also not sure one can have a > >> copyright > >> interest in an unauthorized derivative work. The legal questions are > >> fascinating and their is a need to enable this type of creative > >> work either > >> through legislation or better fair use precedents. > >> > >> The album is great! > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that > >>> would be > >>> a case... > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay > >>>> for it. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote: > >>>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out > >>>>>> from the > >>>>>> infringing work itself. > >>>>> > >>>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail. > >>>>> > >>>>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/ > >>>>> > >>>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will > >>>>> assume that > >>>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an > >>>>> infringing work. > >>>>> > >>>>> - Rob. > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Discuss mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Discuss mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Discuss mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Brian Rowe > >> Freedom for IP > >> (206) 335-8577 (Cell) > >> > >> Access To Justice Technology Principles > >> www.ATJWeb.org > >> > >> Freedom for IP > >> www.FreedomforIP.org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: http://freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20080702/ > > a013e6ec/attachment.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > End of Discuss Digest, Vol 19, Issue 3 > > ************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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